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To: Colofornian

“Suffer the little children to com unto me for such is the kingdom of heaven”- Jesus of Nazareth. No need to baptize children for such “is the kingdom of heaven” and those in heaven need no baptism. A dying infant and child is automatically saved. Can any of you state with a straight face that a two year old unbaptized child is thrown, by Jesus, into raging the fires of hell? Nonsense. Frighten a small child with the threat of Hell and one risks violating the other warning “If any of you offend one of these little ones I say that it is better for that man that he had never been born.”


35 posted on 03/07/2015 1:24:57 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS; All
...frighten...with the thread of hell...

Please explain: Why stop at infants?

What about toddlers?

What about Any aged kid?

What about adults with mental disabilities?

What about adults who haven't heard the Gospel?

By the time you list all of the "What abouts...?" you basically could readily arrive at some semi-conclusion of "Hey, why bother to..."
...disciple anybody?
...missionize anybody?
...baptize anybody?

Why "frighten" anyone with ANY shred of revelation about hell?

Why, ya might as well just embrace universalism.

...Dying infants...

We do have one OT glimpse here. As a punishment for David's sin with Bathsheba, the Bible indicates David's young son was taken.

David then said that the boy would not return to him, but that David would return to the son.

But it's all left with at least a degree of mystery.

For whatever we conclude in that verse, we also need to temper it -- as applied to ALL people:

"I am the way, the truth, and the life. NO ONE comes to the Father but by ME." -- Jesus, John 14:6

40 posted on 03/07/2015 1:55:36 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS; Colofornian
A dying infant and child is automatically saved. Can any of you state with a straight face that a two year old unbaptized child is thrown, by Jesus, into raging the fires of hell? Nonsense.

Yet the scripture teaches that we are shaped in iniquity from the very womb:

Psa_51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

That a clean thing cannot come forth from an unclean thing:

Job_14:4 Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one.

That death and condemnation have passed down on all:

"But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification." (Rom 5:15-16)

Why would God regard something as "innocent" when it is shaped in iniquity? Why would God declare something "clean" when it is born dead and unclean? Clearly, if infants did not have the condemnation of Adam's sin imputed to him or her, they could never die. The fact that they do die plainly shows their subjection to the penalty of sin, which is death. That is why it is said that no one can "see the Kingdom of heaven" unless they are born again. All are guilty of their sins, if not theirs own personally, then the sin of Adam which is not only imputed onto them, but which also results in their being born dead and depraved, "working iniquity" as soon as they are able.

This is why the nonsense about the "age of accountability" is the true lie, and why the children of believers have every right to be baptized, for they are not born innocent, but already subject to death due to their depravity and the sin of Adam.

78 posted on 03/07/2015 7:18:42 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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