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To: imardmd1; Colofornian
Paedobaptism has no salvific value, and indeed leads the individual to think they are Christian by virtue of it, when they are not. Period.

However, so do Charismatic revival meetings, producing more damned infidels with fake confessions than they do in actually leading anyone to salvation. I escaped from them myself, though I was never really one of them (could never "speak in tongues). A friend that came out of them, however, admitted to never actually even knowing what the Gospel was.

If John the Baptist could leap within the womb at the presence of Jesus Christ, then an infant is just as much capable of salvation as anyone else. In fact, since all salvation is itself a supernatural act (no one confesses Christ but by the Holy Ghost), I would argue that the salvation of infants and the salvation of adults is entirely the same in nature.

22 posted on 03/07/2015 1:01:46 PM PST by Greetings_Puny_Humans (I mostly come out at night... mostly.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans; All
If John the Baptist could leap within the womb at the presence of Jesus Christ, then an infant is just as much capable of salvation as anyone else.

Exactly.

When we look at Jesus' most succinct statement of defining "eternal life," it's John 17:3, which He defined as KNOWING the Father -- and Jesus.

An infant KNOWS others personally.

An infant trusts others personally. (We know he/she trusts Mom to be fed!)

Faith, before anything else, is trust.

So I'm not sure why people argue that babies aren't capable of trusting -- of relating personally.

And, btw, many of these same arguments we hear vs. infants apply to...
...toddlers...
...pre-schoolers...
...kindergarteners...
...primary-age kids...
...and even adults with down syndrome, other mental retardations, and "special" mental disabilities.

Many of the most loving people I've EVER met are in this last category.

Many people want others to have all this "rational" degree in theology before they can be baptized.

Jesus knows them all as His little lambs. And even at a very early age, young kids pray to Him. Know Him. Worship Him. Trust Him to keep them secure.

28 posted on 03/07/2015 1:14:49 PM PST by Colofornian
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