The Glory of Eucharistic Theology

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[aMorePerfectUnion]

Ironically, not a single verse from Scripture to communicate the “glories” of Eucharistic theology... PLACEMARKER

[knarf]

I got hung up on the first sentence;

"Saint Thomas has sometimes been portrayed, especially in the theological anarchy of the postconciliar period, as a hidebound medieval scholastic trapped in a rationalistic methodology, whose works lack a palpable spirituality that resonates in the hearts of modern people."

Thank God for right click, search google for ... because I went to a half a dozen differnt places learning about "postconciliar" f'rinstance .... a word made up especially by Catholics FOR Catholics to describe post Vatican 2 .. and .. "hidebound" .. a very interesting word that draws an interesting picture ...

As well as some of the contributors to Rorate Caeli which have following their names, more designations of Catholicism than America has political parties .... I bet THEIR confabs are fun

I marvel at the wordiness Catholics like to be

Festus thought he was talking to a Catholic, apparently

[wheat_grinder]

Can’t be introducing those pesky “scriptures” into a time honored tradition!

[NKP_Vet]

Thanks for the great article. I attend Eucharist adoration every Thursday. Thanks again, wonderful article.

[piusv]

Yes, this was written for Catholics who already know the Scriptural basis for the Eucharist (which of course has been debated ad nauseum here). I’m guessing this OP was not posted to go down that route again.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

"Yes, this was written for Catholics who already know the Scriptural basis for the Eucharist (which of course has been debated ad nauseum here)."

First, we can agree it has been discussed ad nauseum! Second, I guess it is simply a "High Five" thread that may as well have been a caucus thread, but was unmarked as such.

[Rashputin]

Jesus Christ Himself being present isn't glorious?

People who believe what Christ Himself said think His presence is glorious.

Apparently the Self and Self Alone folks are perfect examples of those who "professing themselves to be wise, they became fools."

[piusv]

And if you truly feel that way, then why did you even bother to post?

[Salvation]

And yet we use the words of St. Thomas, “My Lord and My God” during Mass. Some say it softly at the elevations of the host and the wine, others say it audibly.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

"Jesus Christ Himself being present isn't glorious?"

I realize catholics have been taught this. Fine. People can choose to believe whatever they wish.

Objectively though, based on the specific examples of people faced with the glory of God... If the wafer were really the very presence of Christ, His glory would be so overwhelming people would fall down before him and a fake sunbeam (monstronce) would not be necessary to make it appear glorious.

"People who believe what Christ Himself said think His presence is glorious."

Believers who love Him believe His actual presence is glorious.

"Apparently the Self and Self Alone folks are perfect examples of those who "professing themselves to be wise, they became fools." "

I'm not familiar with that denomination, but I can assure you that the reference to Romans is out of context. If you are going to take it out of context and make it not about physical lust, you should also pay attention to God's specific words: "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and revered and worshiped the creature rather than the creator, who is blessed forever."

As I started with, certainly Catholics have been taught this. Fine. I don't try to change their minds. This is an open thread though, set aside for discussion.

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“And if you truly feel that way, then why did you even bother to post?”

It is an open discussion thread on the Religion forum. That is enough reason.

[rwa265]

I have often pondered the meaning of the phrase “give us this day, our daily bread” in the Lord’s Prayer. What is this bread that we ask to be given to us daily? The answer came to me several years ago when I was preparing to be the lector on the 18th Sunday in Ordinary Time, Year B.

The first reading is from Exodus 16. In verse 4, the LORD said to Moses, “I will now rain down bread from heaven for you. Each day the people are to go out and gather their daily portion.” In verse 16, Moses tells the Israelites, “This is the bread which the LORD has given you to eat.”

The Gospel reading ends with the following from John 6:30-35. So they (the crowd) said to him, “What sign can you do, that we may see and believe in you? What can you do? Our ancestors ate manna in the desert, as it is written: ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’” So Jesus said to them, “Amen, amen, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave the bread from heaven; my Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is that which comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” So they said to him, “Sir, give us this bread always.” Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst.

Further on in John:6, Jesus refers to himself several more times as bread. In verse 51 he says: “I myself am the living bread come down from heaven. I anyone eats this bread he shall live forever; the bread I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world.” To this the Jews said, “How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?”

Jesus gives His answer at the Last Supper. From Matthew 26:26 - While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take this and eat it; this is my body.”

So this daily bread that Jesus taught us to ask for from the Father is His body. And it is through the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass that we are able to receive our daily bread.

[knarf]

You're a democrat ... right ?

I mean ... THEY like to ignore context and make statements for no other reason than to interject THEIR particular thought processes ..... THEY call it, speaking truth to wisdom (or something like that)

MY comment about wordiness is how Catholics use so much language and words to 'explain' something that was always meant to be so easy (WE call it, easy believism .... )

[knarf]

God is love

Love is blind

Ray Charles is blind

Ray Charles is God

[Salvation]

You need to read my home page.

[piusv]

uh-huh.

[Salvation]

So do you understand what this sentence says?

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With St. Thomas, we learn that the essential purpose of investigating a divinely revealed truth that is inaccessible to natural reason is to raise our minds to a more intense appreciation of the very mysteriousness of the mystery.**

[rwa265]

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[knarf]

NO ONE can read your home page ... not in an entire week end

Having said that ... I commented about wordiness

YOU retorted with a few one syllable words ... which had nothing to do with wordiness

I countered with an admitted sarcastic response and now you want me to involve myself in Catholic apologetics ..

ie

"With St. Thomas, we learn that the essential purpose of investigating a divinely revealed truth that is inaccessible to natural reason is to raise our minds to a more intense appreciation of the very mysteriousness of the mystery.**"

Of course I know what he said ... If you open your mind, your mind will be opened (the very mysteriousness of the mystery.)

Tagging it or preluding it in a religious context doesn't do much for or to the intellectual excersize