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Why Are There So Many “Bad” People in Church?
http://www.pravoslavie.ru ^ | 04 / 03 / 2015 | Denis Akhalashvili

Posted on 03/06/2015 9:56:03 AM PST by bad company

I often have to hear how people say about our Church, “You know, I don’t go to your church and won’t go, because it’s like a train station there—who don’t you see there? It would be alright if they were good people, but they’re not! I met one of them. Do you know what sort of man he is? And that girl is not any better. I won’t even mention the rest. And they go to services, cross themselves and don’t even blush…”

Why are there so many unfortunate, wretched, broken lives, strange and simply bad people in the Church, while the saints and righteous ones are hardly to be found? This scandalizes and turns away many.

But this is in fact the most remarkable thing, that there are only sick people all around! It means that you have come to the right place. It means that everything you have read in the Gospels and heard about Christ is true.

Who did the Lord take to heaven first? The repentant thief. Publicans, harlots, lepers, and the demonically possessed came to Him from all around. Not the righteous. The sick. All the rest had no time for Him. There were just fine without Him.

Just fine, without God. The Gospel calls this state death. Because the soul without God is a dead soul.

People are always confusing the Heavenly Church with the earthly Church. From this comes the misunderstanding, doubts, and confusion. All the saints and righteous ones are there, in the Kingdom of Heaven. But here on earth, the Church is a hospital for sins, spiritual illnesses and death. In our Church there is only one who is absolutely healthy, pure, perfect, and sinless. He is our Lord and God Jesus Christ. And it is by His power that the Church is delivered, treated, and cured.

Why is it that when we see sick, lame, and coughing people in an ordinary hospital no one gets the desire to point to his temples, turn heel and run? That is why it is a hospital, so that the sick would come and be healed. This is even more true for the Church, where it is not the body being healed, but the eternal soul. That sick people come with terrible wounds and diseases testifies to the power of the doctor they are seeking. Sinners who have resolved to be delivered from their sins and death testify to Christ.

And when I look at people in church, my heart is filled with joy, because the Lord is here, with us, and He is healing. Sometimes people themselves don’t know why they go to church. The pain itself, the wounds that won’t stop gnawing at their hearts lead them here. Then suddenly, it all goes away. Without understanding the services, in general vaguely understanding what is going on, the person suddenly feels that he is now better. He—that is he, the heart—his heart, though just recently bleeding it is now peaceful and well. People can lie, books can deceive, but your own heart tells the truth. And this is the most remarkable thing that you can feel in the Church.


TOPICS: Orthodox Christian
KEYWORDS: christians; sin; spiritualjourney
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1 posted on 03/06/2015 9:56:03 AM PST by bad company
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To: bad company

They are sometimes bad because God finds you where she is at.


2 posted on 03/06/2015 9:57:35 AM PST by A CA Guy ( God Bless America, God Bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: bad company

Because we are all fallen creatures, prone to sin.

You will not find perfect people anywhere.


3 posted on 03/06/2015 9:58:46 AM PST by PGR88
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To: bad company

We’re all “bad”. That’s the point.


4 posted on 03/06/2015 9:59:07 AM PST by ctdonath2 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: bad company

i hear a lot of people saying they haven’t been to church for ages and can’t go because they are big sinners.

Well the whole church is full of sinners, that’s where you should go to get better!


5 posted on 03/06/2015 9:59:12 AM PST by Mount Athos (A Giant luxury mega-mansion for Gore, a Government Green EcoShack made of poo for you)
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To: bad company

Because there’s no teaching in the church anymore.

Too many are involved in “social justice”; feeding the poor; protesting, etc.

Instead of STUDYING THE BIBLE .. and learning what it says and how it relates to the individual. Too much group think.


6 posted on 03/06/2015 9:59:36 AM PST by CyberAnt ("The hope and changey stuff did not work, even a smidgen.")
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To: bad company

ONe might as well ask why you mainly see fat or
sick people in health food stores.


7 posted on 03/06/2015 10:00:36 AM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: bad company

Who said the Church is a hospital for sinners, not a hotel for saints? Or something like that.


8 posted on 03/06/2015 10:01:29 AM PST by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: Legatus

good grief, it was dear Abby, I thought it was a pope who said it.


9 posted on 03/06/2015 10:03:12 AM PST by Legatus (Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: bad company

***It would be alright if they were good people, but they’re not!***

MARK 2:
15 And it came to pass, that, as Jesus sat at meat in his house, many publicans and sinners sat also together with Jesus and his disciples: for there were many, and they followed him.

16 And when the scribes and Pharisees saw him eat with publicans and sinners, they said unto his disciples, How is it that he eateth and drinketh with publicans and sinners?

17 When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.


10 posted on 03/06/2015 10:05:35 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: bad company
Sometimes, Bad People just need a good photo-op!


11 posted on 03/06/2015 10:06:41 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: bad company

Why Are There So Many “Bad” People in Church?


12 posted on 03/06/2015 10:07:07 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Where am I to go now that I've gone too far?)
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To: Legatus

Abigail Van Buren was quoting someone. It may have been George Craig Stewart, Episcopal Bishop of Chicago (1930-1940).


13 posted on 03/06/2015 10:11:15 AM PST by Campion
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To: ctdonath2

Amen. The only good Christian is a bad Christian (i.e. one who admits they’ve fallen short).


14 posted on 03/06/2015 10:15:02 AM PST by BikerJoe
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To: bad company

We shouldn’t be surprised to find sinners in church, any more than we should be surprised to find sick people in a hospital.


15 posted on 03/06/2015 10:16:15 AM PST by Nea Wood
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To: bad company

Church should be a hospital for sinners, not a museum for saints.


16 posted on 03/06/2015 10:18:35 AM PST by HonorInPa
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To: bad company

I think churches mainly run into problems when they let the loonies run things. Things definitely run smoother when the old ladies are running the day to day, and the old boys put their heads together when things go badly awry.


17 posted on 03/06/2015 10:19:28 AM PST by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: bad company

Interesting link


18 posted on 03/06/2015 10:20:57 AM PST by Rich21IE
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To: bad company

The point about getting right with God is to change and become a new creature.

One thing I do have problems with is the idea that bad things only happen to people who deserve it. Is that a Catholic thing or a Protestant thing?


19 posted on 03/06/2015 10:27:45 AM PST by BlackAdderess ("Give me a but a firm spot on which to stand, and I shall move the earth". --Archimedes)
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To: bad company

Christ came to save the sinners. Rejoice that they are even in church.

Also pray for the lost who do not attend church of any kind.


20 posted on 03/06/2015 10:28:14 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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