Posted on 03/05/2015 4:44:32 PM PST by Colofornian
This reflects the overriding support given the Third Reich by Protestant Churches in Germany at the time. See this report:
http://www.secularhumanism.org/library/fi/paul_23_4.html
On the other hand, the Catholic Church was aligned against Nazism, though on the personal level a great number of individual German Catholics were as supportive as other Germans of the time.
If freepers would just quit feeding these trolls they would probably lose interest and leave. The problem is, there is a pack of trolls here that keep feeding each other.
Salon Kitty was an intelligence honey trap run by the SD aimed at foreign dignitaries.
The Nazi party always advocated bourgeois morality, at least publicly. Himmler did once try to setup an SS baby factory, but his officers, most of whom were married, balked at the idea.
I think Colofornian is a closet Mormon with a weird complex. Or nutts.
And the article portrays one young Mormon from that era in a positive light...but you wouldn't be able to tell that by the knee-jerk reaction we've seen on the thread.
Actually, the problem is the word "troll" has become diluted" to me. I'm, not sure what the word means anymore in the classical sense.
Used to be you could come here for great conversation, friendship even, some disagreement and in the end it was, well, just good conversation.
Not so sure anymore, everything you write is somehow suspect and can be turned into (interpreted) something you didn't even mean to write.
It's really getting ugly out there. Goebbels and Bernays are doing the "happy dance" for sure.
"Hitler was a Christian..."...
You're telling us that you think Hitler was a "Christian?"
(And this is the so-called "authoritative" author for making your claims about German Protestants?)
Read my earlier post on the thread that references the Barmen Declaration, which is where three Protestant denominations began officially bucking Naziism...1935.
You sure about that? The brunette lead singer from ABBA (yes, ABBA) was the product of that very program, and it had more than limited success.
And the Nazi Ernst Rohm was a flagrant homosexual, and his Brown Shirts were known to lean that way too. One reason why he got offed during Krystal Nacht. Hitler, according to US intel, had either five or six lovers/mistresses, all but one of whom would commit suicide. E. Braun among them.
And the first was, I believe, Gelli, his half-niece. So we will have to disagree on these topics.
Good one!
Him and his apprentice.
(Thank y’all for visiting tonight...making this thread the most-popular FR religion thread in the last 24 hrs! That’ll draw other lurkers!)
***And a hearty dose of John Moses Browning to his lousy Reich. ***
And when the Nazis took over Belgium they began to make use of John Browning’s designs against the Allies.
***..the daily Two Minute Hate.***
You mean the exposing of things the LDS want kept secret?
And don’t forget the Lebensborn program of the SS.
There were pastors whom went to the concentration camps because they opposed Hitler. Ever hear of Dietrich Bonhoeffer whom for a time taught in New York went back to germany and later died in one of the German Concentration Camps shortly before the war ended. There were others whom went against Hitler. The Mormon church was a big part of racism against blacks, why not Jews and Gypsy’s too? Oddly enough it was an American company that provided the cyanide for the death camps!
He got to see Hitler in a parade and took a picture but the SS guard behind them took his camera. He and his mission companion also were arrested one night and interrogated all night as "American Spies". They did convince the gestapo they were just young missionaries.
Some Mormons were sympathetic to Hitler but many were not. For example Helmuth Hubner was one of the youngest men executed for resisting Hitler but his Bishop was for pro-Hitler. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmuth_H%C3%BCbener.
Complicating thing was how it was hard to tell how loyal someone was or wasn't. In one area his barber (who's SS uniform hung on the wall by the barber chair) asked my grandpa (who was 20 years old) if he would donate money to help save some Jews. My grandpa didn't know if it was a trick or not. After the war he contacted him. the barber was serious. He was helping smuggle Jews, but also an SS member.
Generally German Mormons were like other Germans, some were for Hitler some were against and most were just trying to survive. My grandpa and his companion had a car with guards assigned to follow them around during the day so non-Mormons and Mormons alike were reluctant to meet with them. He said even as Americans in Berlin they knew Hitler was evil but it was still hard to be unnafected by the propaganda. He said in the American media (at the time in the 1940's) they always show Hitler's frenzied speeches, frothing at the mouth. But in most speeches he actually spent an hour working the crowd up to that crescendo. So the Hitler the Germans saw was more deliberate and reasoned than what Americans at the time saw. More worrisome is my Grandpas take on America tight now. He is 96 now. About 4 years ago he sent a letter to the extended family stating that the America now (politically, media, propoganda) feels like his time in Germany in the late 1930's.
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