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To: SkyPilot

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Here is an example of the thoroughly dishonest intent of the article:

>> “Pre-wrath proponents say that the Seventh Trumpet blown in Rev 11:15-18 is the same last trump Paul spoke of in 1 Cor 15:52. However, they fail to take into account the fact that John wrote Revelation 40 years after Paul wrote his first epistle to the Corinthians. How could Paul refer to something that was not yet revealed?” <<

Really?

Paul plainly stated that all was revealed to him by Yeshua, on the Damascus road (long before it was revealed to John).

Do they think that the apostles had different revelations?

Paul and John were both speaking of the same events, so how would the trumps be different? This is convoluted, contrived deception to sooth their own fears, and lack of spiritual guidance.
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87 posted on 02/28/2015 8:42:10 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
We already covered 2 Thessalonians 2:3, and why Paul wrote to them because they were teaching Christ had already returned. Moreover, consider the rest of the chapter:

"2 Thessalonians 2.7: "For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way."

It is the true Church that must be taken out of the way before the Antichrist can be revealed.

The Holy Spirit indwells with believers. This is absolutely Biblical. When the restrainer (Holy Spirit in believers) is removed, then the Antichrist (indwelled by Satan) will start his plan, including the peace false treaty with Israel.

Paul plainly stated that all was revealed to him by Yeshua, on the Damascus road (long before it was revealed to John).

I am sorry, but that is pure sophistry.

By that argument, I could say that two disciples who walked with Jesus (even through they didn't recognize Him at the time) on the Road to Emmaus, and stated Luke 24:32 that the Scriptures were opened to them, were given every revelation and every secret of the mind of God. But that would be a false argument, and it isn't what the passage says. God chose to reveal Revelation and its secrets to one disciple, John, and He did it many years later.

Paul never claimed that he was given the entire mind of God (which would be impossible anyway) and every revelation. But Paul preached time and time again that the the Gospel of Jesus Christ was opened to him. And that is what he preached - Christ crucified. Paul was given insight to the Rapture and the Antichrist, and yet even what he says you have discounted.

We have already gone over the trumpets as well, and the Bible mentions trumpets over 60 times. You wish to hang your hat on one trumpet being the same trumpet. You believe what you want to believe.

Those who are persecuted during the Tribulation become believers after the Rapture. These are the saints. Revelation even tells us that many were beheaded, and are given white robes and told to wait a little longer until their brethren are also killed in a like fashion, so that their martyrdom is complete before God enacts his vengeance. (Revelation 6)

Finally, I will restate what I have already said here. If the Rapture is mid or end Tribulation, then a believer would know the exact timing of Christ's Rapture of His own based on the days revealed by Daniel after the signing of the false 7 year peace treaty. That flies in the face of everything Christ said about us not knowing the day nor the hour, and the Doctrine of Imminency.

"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only" (Matthew 24:36).

"Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing" (Matthew 24:42-46).

The pre-tribulation Rapture is the only view that allows for the Rapture to be imminent in its timing. If Christ were prevented from coming until after the rise of Antichrist, and the Mark of the Beast, we would have no need to watch for Him before the tribulation.

I don't read minds, so I don't know why you choose to believe falsely as you do. Perhaps you think that once the Anti-Christ is revealed, you can suddenly turn more devout or in the way you are living, because you will know the End is nigh? Perhaps you think it will be grand to know the time line of Revelation as it occurs on earth while it is unfolding? Perhaps you welcome persecution during the Tribulation, because you think you would have the opportunity to earn for yourself a crown on the Bema Seat? I don't know. But the Blessed Hope of believers is our return of Jesus Christ - and that is Biblical. Your attacks (calling people liars, etc) on those who are hoping for what Christ Himself told us to watch for are reminds me of the rebuke Nathan gave to David in 2 Samuel 12.

7 Nathan said to David, “You are the man! Thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘I anointed you king over Israel, and I delivered you out of the hand of Saul. 8 And I gave you your master's house and your master's wives into your arms and gave you the house of Israel and of Judah. And if this were too little, I would add to you as much more. 9 Why have you despised the word of the Lord, to do what is evil in his sight?"

93 posted on 03/01/2015 4:18:05 AM PST by SkyPilot ("I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 14:6)
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