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Do We Deserve Heaven? Thinking that I deserve heaven is a sure sign I have no understanding...
Aquilla Report ^ | February 23, 2015 | Sinclair Ferguson

Posted on 02/23/2015 5:15:08 AM PST by Gamecock

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To: Gamecock

I was responding to your assertion that if God made men perfect they would be robots.

As for holiness, all religions regard their Gods as holy. Perhaps you regard yours as different from other Gods, just as other religions regard theirs as different.

The following description is true of all Gods, except the one you believe in of course:

“All their gods are like themselves, petty, neurotic, thin-skinned, and vindictive. Their gods demand veneration and worship, as if a god would need to be honored by such worthless creatures. Their Gods fly into rages like children at the first hint of contempt. Insult one of their pitiful gods, and you’ll be tormented forever, because all their gods are like themselves, spiteful, and so insecure they require the constant praise of others, because within themselves, they are nothing. Well... they are nothing!”

And that is what they call Holy.

I have no idea what you mean by Holy.


61 posted on 02/23/2015 11:00:46 AM PST by philoginist
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To: philoginist
***I was responding to your assertion that if God made men perfect they would be robots.**

I didn't say that.

**I have no idea what you mean by Holy**

If you really want to know I suggest you start here.

62 posted on 02/23/2015 11:18:22 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a minister of the Gospel like Captain Crunch is a Naval line officer.)
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To: philoginist

This thread is posted on the Religion Forum of Free Republic which is pro-God meaning the Judeo/Christian God. If you are atheist then do not post on the Religion Forum.


63 posted on 02/23/2015 11:19:15 AM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: MosesKnows

Actually, Jesus was God’s gift to us.

His gift is so monumental .. there is no ACT we can do that could ever outshine that gift.

That’s why the Bible clearly states that Salvation is by GRACE from GOD, and not of ourselves. In other words, there is NOTHING WE CAN DO in the natural to deserve the gift of Salvation through Jesus Christ.


64 posted on 02/23/2015 11:29:37 AM PST by CyberAnt ("The hope and changey stuff did not work, even a smidgen.")
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To: Religion Moderator
I am not an atheist.

Perhaps if I let Paul speak for me, you'll understand why I speak so strongly of the false gods:

Acts 17:22-29 "Then Paul stood in the midst of the Areopagus and said, “Men of Athens, I perceive that in all things you are very religious; for as I was passing through and considering the objects of your worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Therefore, the One whom you worship without knowing, Him I proclaim to you: God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men's hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring.' 'Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man's devising.'"

65 posted on 02/23/2015 11:42:56 AM PST by philoginist
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To: reed13k; Gamecock
And that is exactly the premise of a wonderful little book titled: “Why do bad things happen to good people”.

The problem is THERE ARE NO GOOD PEOPLE ...LUKE 18:19 Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good--except God alone.

66 posted on 02/23/2015 11:43:06 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Poison Pill

Really? Do you not have PERFECT freewill?

It is what you choose to do with that perfect item.


67 posted on 02/23/2015 1:20:06 PM PST by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: RnMomof7

Understood - the book was written by a Jewish Rabbi, but the insights are still valid regarding the reason that we suffer from sin and that we have free will.

He wrote it to answer one of the most asked questions he received. Something along the lines of: If God is omnipotent why does he let people suffer? from an innocent baby in the world less than x months to a sacrificing adult...he used a number of examples from his rabbinic service. He said the hardest were the parents asking about how their children could warrant it - and he had a personal example as well.

Still a good book


68 posted on 02/23/2015 1:20:41 PM PST by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: reed13k
Written by a man that has no Savior, that does not understand that our "holiest "prayer is sin to a Holy God..

We are not sinners because we sin..we sin because we are sinners..

What we all deserve is hell

Bad things do happen but they happen to bad people that deserve everything we get.. and we deserve hell ..Thank God He has rescued some of us

69 posted on 02/23/2015 1:37:21 PM PST by RnMomof7
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