Posted on 02/20/2015 2:13:26 PM PST by NYer
Don’t forget the weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Your analysis is correct in my judgment.
Yes, the bible makes hell sound like a place I for sure don’t want to be.
I want to be able to converse with you one day in God’s presence, and I hope to see many other FReepers there too.
1057 Hell’s principal punishment consists of eternal separation from God in whom alone man can have the life and happiness for which he was created and for which he longs.
No mention of “hope” there - nor in the glossary of the Catechism either. I understand what you’re saying, but since there is no hope of any kind for any human being after death - in heaven or hell - it’s a moot point. The same goes for faith. There is no faith on the part of any human being after death in heaven or hell either for we will have full knowledge per our capability. The only theological virtue will be love and only in Heaven.
I’m worried about me. I figure God has plans for everybody and I’m busy trying to clean up my messes.
Driving down a lonely highway at night in a winter waste land is hell for me.
Ok, I do not want to be a smart alec know it all but I will be the first to say.
I DON`T KNOW.
We know, of course, from scripture (Luke 16:19–31) that this is not possible.
Thank you, GF, for reading this through and posting your comment based on its content.
BKMK
Read your Bible.. God is in Hell
I am guessing this is not an INFALLIBLE teaching from the magistirum
See GOD IS IN HELL
Psalm 139:7–12, in which David says, "Where shall I flee from your presence? If I ascend to heaven, you are there! If I make my bed in Sheol, you are there!"
Rev 14:10 0 he also will drink wthe wine of God’s wrath, xpoured full strength into the cup of his anger, and yhe will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
Men HATE God.. what could be greater punishment than to spend eternity with Him ?
Ahhhh another infallible teaching from the magisterium .. into the pit ..
The Last Four Things
The Hell There Is – A Homily for the 26th Sunday of the Year
Are most Catholics in America going to hell? [OPEN THREAD]
Pope: it's wrong to think our enemies must go to hell
Jesus, Who loves you, warned of Hell – A Catalogue of Jesus’ Warning texts
Vatican corrects infallible pope: atheists will still burn in hell
Where is Jesus After He Dies? A short Reflection on the Harrowing of Hell
"To Hell With It" - Dorothy Day (Kinda interesting article from the *bad* NCR)
The Hell of It. A Short Teaching on Hell
Dream of Saint John Bosco: to Hell and Back
Archbishop Chaput addresses the reality of Satan
Letter from Beyond
Catholic Word of the Day: GEHENNA (Hinnom, 10-17-11
To hell with Hell?
Gehenna
Hell Has to Be
The eternity of hell
Hell Is Not Empty and Pedophile Priests Will Go There" (Why Preaching on Hell is Salutary)
The Eternity of Hell
The Four Last Things: Hell
Catholic Caucus: HELL EXISTS AND WE MIGHT GO THERE!
John Calvin’s Worst Heresy: That Christ Suffered in Hell
Natural Calamities Divine Threats & Four Gates of Hell The four Principal Gates of Hell : I Hatred
Pope speaks with priests from his diocese about Heaven and Hell
Whatever Became of Hell? (HAS THE UNQUENCHABLE FIRE BEEN QUENCHED )
One Man's Visit to Hell
A Brief Catechism for Adults - Lesson 11: Hell
A Question Of Hell (One Minister Questions Its Existence)
Pope says hell and damnation are real and eternal
The fires of Hell are real and eternal, Pope warns
The Early Church Fathers on Hell - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
IS THE NEW MASS ‘SOFT ON HELL’?
Heaven and hell seem to be forgotten
Which circle of Hell do You belong in?
"To Hell with Hell!": The Spiritual Dumbing Down of the Generations
Reflecting on Hell: Sermon for the First Sunday in Advent
The Reality of Satan and the Victory of Jesus and Mary (an Exorcist speaks out)
Beware the Serpent’s Promises
Americans Describe Their Views About Life After Death(Only One 1/2 of 1% Think They Are Hell-Bound)
Sister Faustina's Vision of Hell
Indeed..
One more “infallible” teaching that falls to scripture
Either God is omnipresent or not
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3259724/posts?page=51#51
“If Limbo was truth at one time, when did it stop being truth?”
When I put my back out trying to contort my body while shimmying under the cross pipe?
(yeah I know...a tasteless joke!)
It’s a shame you Protestants can’t solve these issues using that sola scriptura you all supposedly believe in:
2 Thessalonians 1:7–9 says that those in Hell: “will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, AWAY FROM THE PRESENCE OF THE LORD and from the glory of his might”
Also, I should point out the obvious - since that is always necessary with Protestants since they don’t know much about scripture, theology, history, apologetics or common sense - the absence of God is probably more a subjective issue for those in Hell than an indication about anything about the literal presence of God. In other words, God might very well be present in some form, but He simply may not allow anyone in Hell to experience that presence. The horror for the person in Hell is the same either way.
Have a nice day.
Steve, you posted: “I think it’s a legitimate question: Is eternal hell a JUST punishment for temporary sins - or even false beliefs - committed by or held by weak and ignorant people?”
I’ve thought about that a lot and have decided that none of us on this planet can know for sure, that it is our Father’s decision on whether our sins are temporary or permanent; and perhaps how often we practice the ‘temporary sins.’
I think that we can only practice our faith as is taught to us by Jesus and do our best to avoid sinning.
And I remember a Sunday School teacher, who told us of the ancient city dump referred to as Gehanna, was also kept on fire to burn the trash, and before the Jews came, the pagans threw their unwanted babies into that dump where they burned in the fire. Thus the ‘fires of hell, aka Gehanna.” As for the burning, I can only say that I remember the big trash dump at the Grafenwoehr Training Area in Germany, was always burning.
Pastor KP,
thank you for your excellent post.
G-f
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