Evolution makes atheists out of people!

Creation Ministries International ^ | 2-17-2015 | Jonathan Sarfati

[Chainmail]

Of course. All of this universe we occupy presently was designed. You figure that time and space and mass and energy just showed up?

Big coincidence that stars - very long term and steady energy sources just popped up where they are? Have we even conceptually come close to building a candle like it? We are on a planet held into a supremely stable orbit thanks to our moon and it’s synchronized position? Coincidence?

Evolution is part of the original design specifications. Nothing is accidental.

[kosciusko51]

I think you are missing my point. But since you are a fellow engineer, I'll do this as equations:

Evolution = {Time, Randomness, Chance}
Design = {Intelligence, Designer, Purpose}
Evolution ≠ Design

[Chainmail]

Fake math.
Evolution is the iterative process by which designs are modified to accommodate new requirements.
Little bit like configuration control but on a more coherent scale.
Real engineers don’t believe in accidents.

[kosciusko51]

Evolution is the iterative process by which designs are modified to accommodate new requirements.

If you don't mind me asking, what is your source for this definition?

Real engineers don’t believe in accidents.

I did not say I believe in accidents...

[Lake Living]

Then why did God say, “Look, the human beings have become like us, knowing both good and evil. What if they reach out, take fruit from the tree of life, and eat it? Then they will live forever!”? Besides you give no scriptural justification for your idea that it “only” meant “spiritual death”.

[Chainmail]

"If you don't mind me asking, what is your source for this definition? "

Me. Sort of obvious, isn't it? If you were the best designer in existence, wouldn't you build your system to accommodate new environments, new situations? In the work we do, isn't obsolescence just behind us all the time as new technologies, new situations emerge?

None of what is around you could occur on its own - and certainly not become steadily more sophisticated, more able just by random mutations.

That's where I part company with the atheists/agnostics that claim to know science. They aren't engineers: they have never had to lay out specifications and put together design objectives, form the team, do the preliminary designs, review and test and go final and actually build and test something new and worthwhile. There's no feeling in the world like seeing your design on the screen and there in front of you, working as you'd hoped. Now imagine that you are a good enough designer that your system has a built-in capability to adapt or be adapted in the process of its work.

People like us never believe in random chance or accidents or flukes - except when things go wrong. Never when things go right because we know that success takes planning and continuous supervision.

This universe is astounding and every new thing we learn about it stuns us. It should - and it should also convince us that nothing this well put together could ever be an accident.

[BlackAdderess]

Well looking at the Amplified it says “for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die” and we know that God does not lie. They didn’t die physically that day so it must have been some other way.

I don’t know what the tree of life was, but if you remember the events leading up to the flood, evil people who lived too long were such bad news that He shortened the lifespan of everyone after that as a matter of course. Fallen humans living physically forever would therefore seem to be a valid concern.

[BlackAdderess]

Colossians 2:13, Ephesians 2:1-3, I John 5:12 and many more verses discuss the nature of spiritual death as a consequence of sin.