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First Things ^ | February 2015 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 01/30/2015 11:37:36 PM PST by RBStealth

Over the past decade, especially in the struggle over same-sex marriage, some of my friends and allies among social and religious conservatives have called me a defeatist for my culture-war pessimism. I believe that pessimism today is simply realism, and that it is better for us to retreat strategically to a position that we are capable of defending. The cultural battlefield has changed far more than many of us realize.

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1 posted on 01/30/2015 11:37:36 PM PST by RBStealth
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To: RBStealth

Even those of us who can see the future, must fight.


2 posted on 01/30/2015 11:44:01 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: RBStealth

Well, “don’t talk about it” is pretty much the universal response to this phenomenom, although I recently witnessed a contradiction of this maxim, in which the conservative reactionary in the equation was four years old.

Bear with me, my heart is in the coffin there with Caesar.


3 posted on 01/30/2015 11:49:47 PM PST by dr_lew
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To: RBStealth

Ephesians 6:12

The problem with most Christians today (myself included) is we react to situations like Peter did in the garden defending Christ. We want to pick up our swords and win the fight. We are right, we have a righteous cause, and we are morally correct. However, comma, not a bit of that mattered and Jesus was taken away. Peter accomplished nothing then denied Christ 3 times fulfilling the prophecy Jesus Himself gave to him.

Why would it be any different today? We wrestle not against flesh and blood...we don’t even wrestle with the internet, computers, Media or any other social outlet. The battle is the same today as then and the darkness is the same today as then so the victory will most assuredly have to be the same as then.

That is NOT pessimistic. If it is then what is being said is there is no faith in the very God we claim faith in. Either He is real and can handle all this or he is not. Somewhere along the way we Christians have lost sight of what the problem really is and we spend time reacting...swinging our swords wildly...only to clip off a mere ear or two.

I have been driven to my knees like never before when I contemplate the sureness of Gods word as applied to today.


4 posted on 01/30/2015 11:55:31 PM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: ICE-FLYER

BTW...Don’t think for a second I am afraid to pick up my sword too....for I will be first in line to do so when it is right to do so.


5 posted on 01/31/2015 12:00:24 AM PST by ICE-FLYER (God bless and keep the United States of America)
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To: ICE-FLYER

Pretty much what the article is trying to say is that grassroots christian and political organizations cannot compete with what they accomplished in the past and perhaps putting much energy into these things will sap strength from other areas where energy should be applied. The culture needs to be re-Christianized and that starts with the family and the typical “family” is in sad shape.

Afterall, and I dont expect a 20 something or 30 something conservative to understand this. But a snowball of human secularism, mans turning away from God, has been rolling downhill at us for 50 years, and it is only picking up more speed, and accumulating more victories. In other words, a door that was intending to swing full open, was only being stopped by an innefectual door stop(Christianity and Republican Party) and for those with eyes to see that ineffectual doorstop has already failed and looks pretty sad and hopeless.

A door intending to swing full open, is 90% there.
We have lost the culture war.
What we are waiting for is an unexpected event, a “black swan” event, an enabling event, whereby this present order gets overturned. Worldwide economic collapse works very well in this scenario, but it wont be pretty.


6 posted on 01/31/2015 12:19:34 AM PST by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns, and kneeling at the feet of Mary)
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What we are waiting for is an unexpected event, a “black swan” event, an enabling event, whereby this present order gets overturned. Worldwide economic collapse works very well in this scenario, but it wont be pretty.
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The problem is that this is not in the works. At least not a black swan event that involves economic collapse.

There have been two technological revolutions — fracking cellphone computers in just the last five years and dozens of minor ones. There will easily be four more technological revolutions in the next ten years and dozens more minor ones.

These will reshape capital flows around the world in favor of the USA.

The USA is in the first years of a decades long period of recapitalization and economic prosperity. That’s what the rising dollar is all about.

There may be a black swan event but it comes it will be of a kind not related to economic collapse in the USA.


7 posted on 01/31/2015 1:35:37 AM PST by ckilmer (q)
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To: dr_lew

“Well, don’t talk about it” really sums up the attitude of both Christians and conservatives today. When the ugly truth regarding the evils surrounding them and being done to their own children (see link below)by so-called “sex educators” who are really males in dresses and females pretending to be men they morph into the 3 monkeys: see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil. Some will even accuse truth-bearers of hypocritical judgmentalism.

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/black_book/black_book_inside.html


8 posted on 01/31/2015 3:34:27 AM PST by spirited irish
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To: RBStealth
We have lost the culture war.

And it is self inflicted. I say it all the time here, but 50 years ago, the left decided to enter full boar the media, the arts, sociology, education, all the fields that conservatives felt were silly or unimportant. And now they have a lock. There is no easy way for conservative thought to penetrate these areas of influence now, and most conservatives STILL don't want to try. (I.E. "I'm a conservative! I have a REAL job. You have an arts degree? LOL! Useless liberal")

Yeah, we're really laughing.

9 posted on 01/31/2015 4:00:49 AM PST by southern rock
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** grassroots christian and political organizations cannot compete with what they accomplished in the past and perhaps putting much energy into these things will sap strength from other areas where energy should be applied. The culture needs to be re-Christianized and that starts with the family and the typical “family” is in sad shape.**

Our best tool is prayer. I choose the Rosary.


10 posted on 01/31/2015 8:54:02 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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I pray the rosary every day, but getting other people to pray it is one hard task.


11 posted on 01/31/2015 11:31:06 AM PST by RBStealth (--raised by wolves, disciplined and educated by nuns, and kneeling at the feet of Mary)
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