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To: Heart-Rest; Elsie
'If by the end of the day tomorrow (1/28/15), you can show me a Bible text that says that the apostles were not at the crucifixion, I will immediately donate an additional $100 to Free Republic...'"

It'd be a GREAT idea to just donate $100 to Free Republic anyway, right?!

I'm not betting you, but I'd like to know if this is this another RC trick question like, "Show me in the Bible where I can find the word "Trinity"".? Or, "show me where the the Bible says sola Scriptura" or "Bible alone"? Well, we don't have any specific verse that says, "none of the Apostles were at the crucifixion of Jesus". What we DO have, however, are passages from all four gospel accounts that indicate ONLY the women were present at the actual crucifixion and only the Gospel of John that mentions John was there beneath the cross as Jesus finally died. There's nothing that says the eleven WERE there, either. Here are the passages (note: Jesus tells the Apostles that they will ALL fall away and desert him):

    Then Jesus told them, “This very night you will all fall away on account of me, for it is written: ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock will be scattered.’ But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.” Peter replied, “Even if all fall away on account of you, I never will.” “Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “this very night, before the rooster crows, you will disown me three times.” But Peter declared, “Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you.” And all the other disciples said the same. (Matt. 26:31-35)

    “You will all fall away,” Jesus told them, “for it is written: ‘I will strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.’ But after I have risen, I will go ahead of you into Galilee.” Peter declared, “Even if all fall away, I will not.” “Truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “today—yes, tonight—before the rooster crows twicee you yourself will disown me three times.” But Peter insisted emphatically, “Even if I have to die with you, I will never disown you.” And all the others said the same. (Mark 14:27-31)

    “Am I leading a rebellion,” said Jesus, “that you have come out with swords and clubs to capture me? Every day I was with you, teaching in the temple courts, and you did not arrest me. But the Scriptures must be fulfilled.” Then everyone deserted him and fled. (Mark 14:48-50)

    The centurion, seeing what had happened, praised God and said, “Surely this was a righteous man.” When all the people who had gathered to witness this sight saw what took place, they beat their breasts and went away. But all those who knew him, including the women who had followed him from Galilee, stood at a distance, watching these things. (Luke 23:47-49)

    Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home. (John 19:25-27)

    On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord. (John 20:19-20)

1,443 posted on 01/28/2015 8:08:42 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
"I'm not betting you, but I'd like to know if this is this another RC trick question"

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boatbums, you have to follow along with the discussion, in order to know why something is pointed out.    Here is the flow of that particular discussion in this thread:

  1. An anti-catholic poster said in post #648:   "The apostles weren't with Christ on the cross nor were they 'in my Father's kingdom'. Do Catholics not EVER check with scripture to see if what they are being told is truth?"

  2. In post #903, I replied to that poster:   "Tell me the exact Bible text that says that the apostles were not with Christ on the cross, as you claim in your post."

  3. Then, in response to my post there, another anti-Catholic poster said to me in post #1012:   "You never read it eh??? Have you read any scripture at all??? You're trying to teach us about God and you don't even know what God says...WoW..."

  4. In response to that, I replied to that poster in post #1231:   "In my post to another poster which you were replying to here, I was making the simple point that the Bible does not tell us that the apostles were not at the crucifixion (like that poster had claimed in his post), when Jesus received that wine on His cross.    If you believe I am wrong about that, then I'll be happy to make you a friendly public wager right here and now.   If by the end of the day tomorrow (1/28/15), you can show me a Bible text that says that the apostles were not at the crucifixion, I will immediately donate an additional $100 to Free Republic, and if you can't, you will immediately donate an additional $100 to Free Republic.    Do we have a wager?"

  5. Later, a couple other anti-Catholic posters piped in with comments about that simple wager offer, and so I asked them if they wanted to take that wager.    None of them took me up on it.

There was no trick question, just a pointer to truth, in response to another poster's post with a scripturally unsupported claim.
1,648 posted on 01/29/2015 8:50:37 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("Our hearts are restless, Lord, until they rest in Thee." - St. Augustine)
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