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To: metmom; CynicalBear

I said that thing in 770. I backed off that thing in 784. That thing about the Son in His divinity leaving the body made sense. The spirit lives on when the body dies.

To say that Jesus did not die in his divinity is different from saying Mary is the mother of God. Matthew 1 and Luke 1 both tell us that the child that Mary conceived and bore in the womb, Jesus, is God. In Matthew, He is called Emmanuel, which means “God is with us,” and in Luke, He is called the Son of the Most High and the Son of God.

The child that Mary conceived and bore was not the Father. The child that Mary conceived and bore was not the Holy Spirit. So, no, Mary is not the mother of the Triune Godhead. But Matthew and Luke both tell us that she conceived and gave birth to the Son of God.

I have a better understanding of why you have a problem with the concept of Mary being the mother of God, but how do you contradict what Matthew 1 and Luke 1 tells us? How can the child that the angel calls the Son of God not be the Son of God?


1,383 posted on 01/28/2015 3:31:15 PM PST by rwa265
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To: rwa265
Matthew 1 and Luke 1 both tell us that the child that Mary conceived and bore in the womb, Jesus, is God. In Matthew, He is called Emmanuel, which means “God is with us,” and in Luke, He is called the Son of the Most High and the Son of God.

The child that Mary conceived and bore was not the Father. The child that Mary conceived and bore was not the Holy Spirit. So, no, Mary is not the mother of the Triune Godhead. But Matthew and Luke both tell us that she conceived and gave birth to the Son of God.

And yet saying *mother of GOD* says exactly what you are denying, while using the term the Holy Spirit used in Scripture, *mother of Jesus* DOES say what you are stating.

When you say *God* to people, who or what do you expect them to think of first?

And if you are meaning *Jesus* in a conversation, don't you specify that it's Jesus so as not to be confused with the Holy Spirit or the Father?

Catholics can try to explain away, excuse, justify, and rationalize all they want how *mother of God* is the same as *mother of Jesus* but is simply is not the case.

They say two different things.

1,386 posted on 01/28/2015 3:37:54 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: rwa265; metmom
>>How can the child that the angel calls the Son of God not be the Son of God?<<

Better put that into perspective.

Galatians 3:26 for ye are all sons of God through the faith in Christ Jesus,

2 Corinthians 6:18 And I will be your Father, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the LORD Almighty."

Romans 8:14 For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.

And Catholics think only the Son died on that cross?

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

1,387 posted on 01/28/2015 3:46:26 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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