Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)

Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

[don-o]

That Scripture is not doing what I guess you are thinking it does. We are given no details, but our common sense tells us that Thomas met and handled someone who looked like Jesus and Jesus assured that it was indeed Himself. Thomas simply exclaimed "My Lord and my God!" Not, "Lord, You don't feel quite as solid as you were before. What's different?"

That passage from Corinthians does not show that the resurrected Jesus was bloodless. I've never even thought of such a thing until it was posted upthread.

[caww]

.....”So much for Catholics never judging the condition of another’s soul”....

They always do....even their teachings show they do...so of course their membership will do so when they haven’t anything else to stand on.

[delchiante]

It is all about the worship cynical..

Worship is the theme of revelation. It is the final battle..

Worship the enemy.. or worship The Father..

You don’t see Rome’s counterfeits as being anything but false teaching..
It is false worship..

And frankly, they at least try to keep a sabbath day holy, although I believe you have made a comment to me in a previous post about no longer needing to obey those commandments.. that is not what scripture or the Messiah says at all..

The opposite fits the enemy’s plan in revelation 13.. causing the world to break the first four eternal commandments that deal with worship..and specifically worship of the Father..

Worship of the Father... who sent His Son in His (the Father’s Name)

Maybe a catholic should ask you who do you worship?

But again, today is Sunday to the world... but, according to scripture, it is His 3rd day..

Who, when and how we worship is very important..
It is the final battle in revelation..

I know Catholics worship Jesus and Mary...
Man, I know protestants that worship Jesus..

And He and His messengers say to Worship the Father..

Amazingly, I suspect you called today Sunday..certainly a very Roman concept that dates back to ancient sun worship in ancient Babylon..

Worship and giving honor to the created instead of the Creator..

But the enemy is subtle with his ways to steal and rob Yah of worship..

[Grateful2God]

knowing that when Catholics do that, it's for the purpose of labeling and pigeon holing people. Catholics do love their labels. I am not performing on demand to get the usual smarmy Catholic response of *Good girl. Keep it up and you'll soon be a Catholic like me*.

Mindreading? Imputing motive? Believe it or not, there are actually Catholics who are here to find a common ground, and to have an adult, courteous discussion. That quote you described as "smarmy"- can you come up with a post where that came from?

You choose not to disclose an affiliation, for fear of "labeling and pigeonholing." You chose to come into an open forum where Catholics are discussing their beliefs. How would you feel about your denomination getting sniped at, as ours does? Of course you wouldn't like it. It's easier just to hide it. That isn't fair, but it's your choice. I'm Catholic and I'm grateful to be so: that doesn't mean I'm here to recruit more Catholics. I was given the opportunity to choose for myself: God gives us all a free will. It's not up to me. It's up to each person. God bless you, and please don't doubt my sincerity when I say so. I hope we all go to Heaven and meet someday.

Sincerely,

Grateful

[daniel1212]

The writer had better be glad Dr. Walter Martin is deceased and can’t defend himself. I would love to see them in a one on one debate, just not anytime soon .

Indeed, though i myself see Christ as being the Son before His incarnation, yet Martin upheld the preexistence of Christ. . Here are many to hear, which vary from week to week,Walter Martin's Religious InfoNet - Listening Library

And here on TBN her rebukes TBN. CURTAINS FOR WALTER MARTIN & DOUG CLARK AT TBN

[daniel1212]

I thought only the King James Version of the Bible was considered authoritative by Protestants.

No, that is a minority, but i still hold it to be the best.

[metmom]

Jesus shed His blood on the cross.

The body He has now is NOT the body He was born into.

It is resurrected and transformed.

If it wasn’t, He could not have appeared through closed doors, nor survived the ascension.

Just because the body LOOKS the same, does not mean that it is intrinsically the same, that it is made of the same material as our human bodies, which can only survive within a very narrow range of parameters.

[Arthur McGowan]

My comment has NOTHING to do with the condition of another person’s soul.

It has to do only with the fact that in order to be a Christian, one must believe that the man who died on the cross is the same man who rose from the dead.

[Faith Presses On]

Yes, what Jesus said in John 6 was to send away those who didn’t believe and so weren’t His. But the rest of what you wrote wasn’t clear. Jesus did not give His disciples from His actual body and blood to eat and drink. That’s the literal meaning, and some religions have done it. What Communion represents is His sacrificial death for our sakes, which are our food and drink, what we need to survive eternally. I don’t believe it was fully literal, one reason being that He did not give them of His actual flesh and blood, but said the bread and wine were those things. Catholics say that was literal, but again I’ve never heard one bring up themselves that metaphor exists. I do believe when Jesus uses metaphor it’s often not meant as mere men would mean it. I do believe Jesus is also the Word, living water, our Rock, the Passover Lamb, the Lion of Judah, Light, the Sword of the Spirit, and the Tree of Life. I don’t believe these are mere metaphors, but describe a reality we don’t and can’t fully understand here, but God has given us the things of this world, as shadows of the eternal, so we can get a basic sense of it. How Jesus is all those things and more, including part of the Trinity, we only partly understand now. And that goes for Holy Communion, as well. He did not give the disciples or anyone to eat from His body, not at the Last Supper, nor after, from His resurrected body, but I do believe we eat from Him in the sense of Him somehow being all those things - the Word, the Passover Lamb, Light, living water, etc.

[Grateful2God]

"The ONLY time "Mary's son" appears is in context with her OTHER children: Is this not the carpenter's son..."! Son of GOD is found; "GOD's only son" is found; but Mary's child?

Not so much."

Have you never read Luke's Gospel?

[Colofornian]

Christ tells Peter to expect continuing revelation.

(Oh, you mean like from Mormon "prophets" and "apostles," eh?)

Despite Hebrews 1:1-2, Mormons have been told that Jesus can't speak directly to His Church on earth minus going thru the intermediary camped out in Salt Lake City ...even though the writer of Hebrews clearly says that in the PAST God spoke through prophets...now He speaks through His Son, the Living Revelation of God!

(You DO know what the word PAST means, doncha 1010?)

Why has Lds Inc. bumped Jesus Christ out of the picture as the Church's one Living Prophet?
Why has Lds Inc. silenced Him?
Can He not speak directly any more minus having to "relay" everything thru Salt Lake City?

I mean it's downright hypocritical for the Lds Church to insist that God only gives one "prophet" to the church, and then to systematically exclude mention of Jesus Christ as continuing to be THAT SINGLE Living Prophet Himself!!! ...meaning...that the Lds church has replaced Him!

Even though MANY of the Old Testament prophets were contemporaries of each other (God speaking through more than one prophet at a time), Lds Inc. "told" God that He can't do that any more -- they have shut the mouths of God speaking through more than a single prophet.. and what's worse, unlike what Heb. 1:1-2 clearly says -- that Jesus is our everlasting "prophetic" voice we hear (see John 10)...Mormons say "no" -- we've shut up Jesus' voice as well...and we ONLY hear in a church body where "ONLY here is the Lord’s prophet."

[Religion Moderator]

Discuss the issues all you want but do not make it personal.

[metmom]

You choose not to disclose an affiliation, for fear of "labeling and pigeonholing."

Not fear of. I'm not afraid of anything.

I'm just not going to let someone cram me in a box.

How would you feel about your denomination getting sniped at, as ours does? Of course you wouldn't like it. It's easier just to hide it. That isn't fair, but it's your choice.

I freely share my beliefs on the forum. They are found in Scripture.

Any church that recognizes the authority of Scripture is one I can worship at and affiliate with.

I have attended over the years, Baptist, Assembly of God, Presbyterian, Methodist, Calvary Chapel, CM&A, and an assortment of independent, non-denominational churches, all of which hold to the integrity of Scripture and teach salvation by grace through faith in Christ, resulting in the new birth, and have enjoyed and learned from their worship services and interacting with the other believers I have met there.

Any one of them is fine by me.

Jesus said that where two or three are gathered together, He is there in the midst. I don't even NEED enter a church building to meet with Him. I can do it at work, at home, on the road, at the doctor's office, in the hospital, where ever because He's IN me, not in a building where I have to go to meet Him.

[metmom]

My comment has NOTHING to do with the condition of another person’s soul.

Of course it does.

Telling someone that they are not a Christian is absolutely making a determination about the condition of their soul.

[Iscool]

The risen Jesus showed Thomas the holes in his hands and feet, and the wound in his side. The risen Christ was the same man who hung on the cross, lived in Nazareth, and was born in Bethlehem.

Well, we can believe you or we can believe God...

Jesus' body died...It was resurrected and glorified...Just as will happen to humans when they are resurrected...We will get spiritual bodies...

What about Jesus' human nature??? Jesus was tempted...He fought temptation and won...He was tempted just as we are...

Do you think Jesus now can be tempted??? If he has a human nature, he can...God can not be tempted...Jesus could only be tempted when he was in the flesh...Jesus no longer has that human nature...

So where do you get your information from??? It's human logic (philosophy) and your religous customs, isn't it??? No scripture involved...

[terycarl]

Catholicism is so far removed from the scriptures, the only sense it makes is that it is a man made religion...

Now that is rich coming from a protestant...who's your man, Luther, Zwingley, Calvin, Wesley, ????

[Grateful2God]

Good for you! You see, you found a common ground with them, you learned from them, and I’m sure they learned from you. That’s Christian charity and brotherhood. I congratulate you!

[terycarl]

Let's try some easy math:

Oh goodie, Mary's time constraints again....what time are they on in Heaven...CST, EST, MST, PST....one of the foreign time zones....I kind of thought that Heaven was eternal and they didn't bother with waatches and clocks and hourglasses....

[caww]

....”Telling someone that they are not a Christian is absolutely making a determination about the condition of their soul”....

Not for someone who might well be unfamilar with what a true Christian is....which in this case could well be.

[MamaB]

It is man made. When people believe in traditions more than the Bible, it is man made. Y’all are great at stating what traditions say but have little to do with what he Bible says. Why is that?