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Mary Matters (Dr. Walter Martin on disbelief in the Mother of God)
Catholic Exchange ^ | JULY 26, 2014 | Tim Staples

Posted on 01/24/2015 3:23:43 PM PST by NYer

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To: CynicalBear

Exactly, you chose to ignore the words of Jesus and misdirect to other matters and your personal opinion.

You reject the teachings of Jesus to Eat His
Body and Blood that He sacrificed for you and stated that it was necessary for your salvation.

That is just one example where you have rejected Jesus.

Tim Stsples questioned what he was being taught and believed and found the Truth.

I will pray for you and others so that you may fully understand the words of God and accept His teachings.


281 posted on 01/25/2015 7:35:29 AM PST by ADSUM
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To: Arthur McGowan

Clearly your predictions were correct. I don’t know why you and the others even bother with these posters.


282 posted on 01/25/2015 7:35:47 AM PST by piusv
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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas; metmom; Gamecock; rnmom
The Church and the Bible tell us that Mary is the "Queen of Heaven."

Nope. Only the cult of the Roman Catholic Church teaches that Mary is "queen of Heaven."

Mariolatry at its finest once again.

Hoss

283 posted on 01/25/2015 7:36:54 AM PST by HossB86 (Christ, and Him alone.)
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To: Arthur McGowan

I love the Transitive Property. So logical.


284 posted on 01/25/2015 7:38:04 AM PST by piusv
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To: Arthur McGowan
There must be some intellectually honest, intelligent Protestants in the world. There must be many on FR.

Since the OP contains precise propositions presented in clear language, silly me had the fool's hope that someone might come out of lurkdom and actually at least try to point out where it is wrong.

The opportunity is still there. The usual suspects just do what they do. And that's fine, if boring.

285 posted on 01/25/2015 7:40:36 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: delchiante; ifinnegan; metmom; boatbums; Iscool; caww; GeronL
>>I truly believe the Word became flesh and dwelt among us.. and He is coming back... and I don’t call Him Jesus anymore..<<

Matthew 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS (Iésous): for he shall save his people from their sins. Iésous - Definition: Jesus; the Greek form of Joshua; Jesus, son of Eliezer; Jesus, surnamed Justus.

Luke 3:29 the son of Joshua (Iésous), the son of Eliezer, the son of Jorim, the son of Matthat, the son of Levi,

Now explain to us how the entire New Testament we have today in the Greek is corrupted and it doesn't really say to call Him Iésous. Tell us how the sacred name cult has "corrected" the erroneous documentation we have in the Greek. Can you do that with documentation from ancient manuscripts? Or are you using that Hebrew roots cult nonsense to reverse engineer the words of the New Testament to cast doubt?

286 posted on 01/25/2015 7:47:06 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: terycarl; metmom

Catholics just can’t grasp the difference between the physical and the spiritual can they. Scripture calls that being carnal minded you know.


287 posted on 01/25/2015 7:54:02 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Arthur McGowan
At what point did Jesus cease to be the man who was born in Bethlehem and turn into somebody else?

When his terrestrial body died on the cross...

288 posted on 01/25/2015 7:55:07 AM PST by Iscool
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To: terycarl; metmom

It’s best to leave that carnal logic to those who have been blinded to the spiritual truths.


289 posted on 01/25/2015 7:55:24 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: ADSUM

I’ve never heard a Catholic bring up, much less answer, why Jesus didn’t give the twelve disciples from His actual flesh and blood since He has and had a body, and was physically present with them both before and after His death and resurrection. Doing *that* was what those who rejected Jesus in John 6 had in mind.


290 posted on 01/25/2015 7:55:54 AM PST by Faith Presses On
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To: terycarl; metmom
>>Let's see...online resources have been available for.....say 25 or so years..<<

We were told it would happen.

Daniel 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Those still going to the Catholic Church are still under her false teaching.

291 posted on 01/25/2015 8:00:56 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: terycarl; metmom
>>WOW, Mormans believe that...<<

More similarity with Mormons!! Wow indeed!

292 posted on 01/25/2015 8:02:40 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Heart-Rest; RaceBannon
>>For starters, whoever wrote that article does not seem capable of distinguishing between symbols and reality.<<

LOL Catholics do that all the time. They think eating the word is actually literal.

Jeremiah 15:16 Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts.

Ezekiel 3:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, cause thy belly to eat, and fill thy bowels with this roll that I give thee. Then did I eat it; and it was in my mouth as honey for sweetness.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

And Catholics say "I did eat the flesh".

293 posted on 01/25/2015 8:10:25 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: NYer
Not to throw more fuel on the fire but I have a question:

Since Mary was born sinless then her mother must have been without sin and her mother before her ....ect. Since Mary is in the lineage of David and David sinned ... so just wondering ....

294 posted on 01/25/2015 8:12:01 AM PST by SkyDancer
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To: Iscool
When his terrestrial body died on the cross...

So he was just joshing (actually lying) to Thomas?

295 posted on 01/25/2015 8:13:19 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Faith Presses On
I’ve never heard a Catholic bring up, much less answer, why Jesus didn’t give the twelve disciples from His actual flesh and blood

Obviously that accomplished the turning away of those whom the Father had not given Him, save the son of perdition. On the night of His betrayal, all that was clearly communicated to the men His Father had given Him.

I am going to trust that Bible Christians know the references. Later still were eyes opened in the "breaking of the bread."

296 posted on 01/25/2015 8:23:07 AM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: SkyDancer

Not to throw more fuel on the fire but I have a question:
Since Mary was born sinless then her mother must have been without sin and her mother before her ....ect. Since Mary is in the lineage of David and David sinned ... so just wondering ....


That would require a Catholic thinking cap, the rarest of all thinking caps...............

There is a relic of one worn by the “thinking saint” but it is only the button on top.

Protestant thinking caps are about as rare but there are no relics for some reason.


297 posted on 01/25/2015 8:23:49 AM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Heart-Rest; metmom
>>In addition to all that, translators always bring their own biases to their translation efforts, so if they are vague in their own mind about something, or not quite really sure, they likely err to the side favoring their own beliefs and prejudices when making uncertain choices.<<

We can see that in the corruptions of scripture by the Catholic Church. You illustrate that in the verse you reference.

2 Peter 1:20 First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation.

That's from a Catholic Bible. Now let's look at it from the Greek.

1 Peter 1:20 Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation of things. 21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

That verse is not talking about man interpreting prophecy today. It's talking about how it was God who gave that prophecy and not just man's interpretation. The twisting by the Catholic Church to try to keep people from reading and understanding scripture is pervasive and insidious.

298 posted on 01/25/2015 8:24:46 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: huldah1776

The book of revelation is that uncovering or the revealing of truth that may not be comfortable to people..

Revelation 12 held the mystery of the Messiah’s true birthday, although to read over it, one wouldn’t be able to comprehend it.. and like I said, if December 25 wasn’t truth, I wanted Him and His Word to lead me to full Truth.

And He does!

It took rejection of the world. And it was that point that I saw His plan that was written in the sky way before He ever had it placed on parchment.. and genesis to revelation made sense..and so did the Hebrewness of the Savior make sense where the Greco roman Latinness faded...

and Christendom and its traditions became a counterfeit..

And realizing I was worshipping a counterfeit my entire life paled in comparison to realizing there is no pre trib rapture..


299 posted on 01/25/2015 8:25:37 AM PST by delchiante
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To: Arthur McGowan; metmom

Well magisterium forbid that light be shed on the the deceit and darkness of the Catholic Church and the false beliefs they spread!


300 posted on 01/25/2015 8:27:14 AM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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