Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

To: pgyanke
(I originally wrote:)Why is the PHYSICAL world more real to you and Rome than the SPIRITUAL WORLD?

Who said it was? Why do Protestants deny the physical world? It was created by God and we live here in our journey to Heaven. It is real and tangible and has a purpose for the salvation of souls. Christ came into the world in the flesh to die a horrible death on a real, physical Cross. He was baptized (as are all of His people) in real water. He healed real, physical bodies of afflictions and even restored physical life. He raised real, physical bread and wine to be His own Body and Blood. To deny physical realities is to minimize the sacrifice of Christ and deny the reality of what will be glorified bodies raised physically to Heaven in the resurrection.

What goes in the mouth, goes into the stomach, and then into the sewer. You will never know Jesus apart from God's Truth. Attempting to bring Jesus back into the physical world and interact with him in the natural, will only end in frustration. He is seated next to His Father and His Blood is on the Eternal Mercy Seat until the end of the age of Grace. It is your faith that pleases God. (Matthew 15:16-20, Mark 7:18-23, Hebrews 11:6)

The physical world is not more real than the spiritual... but it is real and has a purpose than many overlook in their quest for "pure" spirituality.

Let's make this really simple. God created YOU in his image. God is a Spirit. You are a spiritual being (inner man, hidden man of the heart) made in the image of God. You have a body, and you have a soul (mind, will, and emotions). God created the Earth for you to enjoy. And then, sin entered the world, along with death. NOT JUST physical death, but even worse, spiritual death, which is separation from God. ALL mankind from Adam and Eve (who were created beings) with the only exception being Jesus, is born spiritually dead, or if you prefer, born with a sin nature.

There is no battle between Rome and Believers except in your mind. There is a battle for TRUTH. I don't care what flavor of church you attend as long as Jesus is your Lord. If you will notice, rarely if ever does anyone on this forum who is a "Protestant" ever invoke the name of their denomination, or even refer to themselves as one. Those demonically inspired, man-made divisions are irrelevant. Believers are one SPIRITUAL BODY OF CHRIST. There is neither Jew or Gentile, male or female, Baptist or Methodist, in the Body of Christ. There is ONLY ONE HEAD of the BODY - JESUS. There can be no other HEAD.

We live in a body in a physical universe, BUT the battle is SPIRITUAL, the Peace is SPIRITUAL, the Joy is SPIRITUAL, the Anointing is SPIRITUAL. (2 Corinthians 10:1-6) You enter the world as a spiritually dead person covered in flesh. You are SPIRITUALLY REBORN by faith in Jesus (the Word made flesh). That which is flesh is flesh, spirit is spirit. (John 1:1-14, 3:1-21) Read John 4 carefully.

John 4:21-24 (KJV) - 21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. 22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. 24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

That time is NOW. Israel under the Old Covenant could not be spiritually reborn. They relied on the Law and sacrifices - physical rituals. The Body of Christ is not under the Law. We are spiritually reborn, cleansed from ALL unrighteousness. Made ALIVE IN CHRIST! We can have intimate fellowship with our Heavenly Father in Spirit and Truth! And it is WONDERFUL!! This revelation was given to Paul who taught it while he was on Earth, and left a clear written record primarily in Romans through Thessalonians. You can follow the progression of the message in the divine order of the books. Take your religious blinders off for a moment and imagine what you could do for the world if you could REALLY imitate Jesus. That can't be done without the Holy Spirit. That is why Jesus told the disciples to wait until they were endued with power. You need both the Word (Truth) AND the Holy Spirit. (Luke 24:46-49)

If you want to heal the sick, deliver the oppressed, transform the poor of this world, it aint gonna happen in the natural, with only your ability and religious hooey. Just look at all the religious Christians laboring and getting nowhere. There is a determined enemy that is stealing, killing, and destroying. Its through faith in Jesus, that you can overcome him (John 10:10, 1 Peter 5:8, James 4:7-10) Note the key qualifier in the verse below.

Mark 16:17-18 (KJV) - 17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; 18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

What is the Believer to do in the world?

Ephesians 6:11-12 (KJV) - 11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

If you read all of Ephesians 6, you will note none of the armor or weapons mentioned are physical.

You are to know Satan's devices. (2 Corinthians 2:11) Give him no place. (Ephesians 4:27) Resist him. (James 4:7, 1 Peter 5:8-9) Overcome him by the Word (and not be deceived like Eve). (Matthew 4:1-11, 1 John 2:14) - Again, note it is NOT a physical battle, but a spiritual one that can only be won by faith, not human effort.

I leave you with the following verses to prayerfully consider. HERE is God's clear answer to your objection.

Romans 8:1-17 (KJV) - 1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: 4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. 8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. 9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. 10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. 12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh. 13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. 15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. 16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: 17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Galatians 5:13-26 (KJV) - 13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. 17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. 18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law. 19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law. 24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit. 26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

There is a HIGHER Truth than what you see with your senses. Cultivate this by studying God's Word, set your affection on Christ, on what is above. Religion is all about entertaining the senses, pride (which was Satan's downfall), and the reasoning of man (which is ignoring, embellishing, or misunderstanding God's Word, His Truth). Let the Word of God lift you up to a much higher level, True worship, True fellowship, THEN let LOVE HIMSELF, work through you to be a Blessing to the world.

2 Corinthians 4:16-18 (KJV) - 16 For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward man is renewed day by day. 17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; 18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

See also 2 Corinthians 5, Galatians 3 - 5, Ephesians 1 - 6, Philippians 3, Colossians 1 - 3.

266 posted on 01/22/2015 11:49:55 AM PST by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 197 | View Replies ]


To: Kandy Atz

There’s a LOT of wonderful truth in that post!


318 posted on 01/22/2015 8:05:40 PM PST by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 266 | View Replies ]

To: Kandy Atz
You may be a Kandy Atz, but you are also a valiant and well-spoken upholder of God's own truth.

BTTT for you.

Think --- sports announcer saying "he_may_go_all_the_way" (to the top, to the heavens).

Meanwhile, may He come to you from there, and within yourself, deep call unto deep, that which is from on high and is alive within yourself, commune with Him who sent His own Spirit to abide with you forevermore

469 posted on 01/26/2015 10:21:09 PM PST by BlueDragon (there is no available punctuation mark for the last sentence)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 266 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson