Posted on 01/17/2015 8:59:40 PM PST by John Leland 1789
Hey, easy now warsaw. I’m Christian and I don’t hate your guts. As a matter of fact, the reason I take time to say things sometimes and try to point to the truth is because I care about my fellow man and woman.
I’m an ex soldier with probably not a lot of tact, but I don’t hate.
I do admit I struggle with moslems.
“Sitting on this side of the pearly gates and proclaiming to know whether any person is in heaven is an indication the author doesn’t know what he’s talking about.”
No, we cannot determine what any individual’s state is regarding salvation at the time of their death. BUT we do know the criteria from the Bible. If someone does not meet those criteria, then hell is their destination. That is not judging or condemning on the part of the Christian - it is merely invoking Scripture.
MLK was a communist fraud. The black community worships him like he’s Jesus or something is sad.Watch and learn.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IShbhepwieA
The Church did not take this position because geocentrism was in the Bible, because it is not in the Bible. The Church took this position because it was in the writings of Aristotle, and in the middle ages, Aristotle was the next best thing to, well, Jesus, and so anything Aristotle said HAD to be correct, however boneheaded it happened to be.
As C. S. Lewis put it, whenever you start promoting "Christianity and," whatever comes after the "and" eventually becomes more important to you than the Christianity--and that would be true whether the "and" were Aristotle, as it was throughout much of the last millennium, or social justice, as it was with King, and is essentially with all Christian progressivists before, during, and after King.
And one more thing...
Parthenogenesis (where an offspring develops from an unfertilized egg) occurs in certain species, but not in mammals. Period.
But the Bible doesn't claim that Jesus developed from an unfertilized egg. It claims that Jesus was born of a virgin. It has nothing to say about the physical aspects of the conception: one either accepts it was an act of divine intervention, or one does not.
I cannot speak for "most people." I can only speak for myself, as an LCMS Lutheran. I have doctrinal differences with Catholicism--if I didn't, I would be a Catholic--but I do not assume that because a person is Catholic that somehow makes it impossible for him/her to be a Christian. On the contrary, if someone claims to be a Christian, my only two questions are, do you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus Christ, and do you believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead. Answer yes to both, and you have my hand of Christian fellowship.
Now here's where the problem lies for me with the original topic of this thread, MLK. The Bible, in the Romans passage hinted at above, says that you are saved if you believe in Jesus' resurrection. The Bible also says, in I Cor. 15 among other places, that not believing in the resurrection is a bonehead thing, because not believing in Jesus' resurrection logically leads to not believing in our resurrection, which removes the main incentive to accept Jesus' salvation. The Bible does not say, however, that a person who does not believe in Jesus' resurrection is thereby damned: "stupid" and "damned" are not mutually reflexive (for which I daily thank God, but I digress). Salvation is a divine act, made available by the blood of Jesus shed on the cross, and it is quite possible that someone could accept Jesus' offer of salvation, and still be stupid enough to not believe Jesus' resurrection, or His offer of resurrection for His people--whether that would be sufficient for salvation is a deeper theological question than I have time for this morning, as I prepare to go to church, read the Scripture, and play the pipe organ :-)
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Seems, the move Selma trashes Liberial icon, LJB, as an obstructionist to MLK's civil rights movement.
Many in worldly leadership, and even in Church leadership, profess to be Christians but might not be. Ultimately that’s only for God to say, but Christians do have an obligation to point out heresy. I’m not sure, however, that everyone who voices some heresy is a heretic. Some people might be mistaken or ignorant on some point and unknowingly embrace a heresy. Since the Lord is always better training us, as Jesus did with the disciples, who jumped to many wrong conclusions (their situation being a little different though since the Gospel hadn’t yet been so fully revealed), we’re always having errors in our understanding corrected. True heresy would seem to be a knowing rebellion against what one knows and understands to be God’s Word.
Considering we were in the full blown cold war mode, he never was, is , or will be a hero in my book.
“Jesus isn’t an accountant, and if MLK didn’t do enough, then no one can.”
Truly. Jesus is NOT an accountant, and no one can do enough!
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 “He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” - Jesus
“What is a “good work”? “
“Then they said to Him, “What shall we do, that we may work the works of God?”
Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”” - John 6
It’s about time! And I’m afraid since King’s time (or before) the exact same thing can be said about the vast majority of Black “ministers”—even in the rural South!
And judging by the replies on this thread, so are most FReepers!
There are a lot of non-Christians posting here, obviously ... and ... that’s quite revealing to me!
Based on his apparent beliefs, King was a flawed non-Christian.
Nope. You're wrong. He looks like a Christian to me. And I'm an expert. I suppose you're now gonna tell me the Pope isn't a Christian!!
YOU are wrong! He didn't believe the dogmas, therefore he wasn't an orthodox chrstian. Period.
Unless you want to re-define chrstianity as some sort of moral philosophy.
He was an impenitent whoremonger. An adulterer. That's hardly an innocuous "imperfection."
What utter, complete rot. I reject such a conclusion with contempt. Jesus isn’t an accountant, and if MLK didn’t do enough, then no one can. He faced the murderous equivalent of nazistic hate and responded with teaching millions a response of love and nonviolence and human dignity and calling on God. There’s not one in a hundred who could do what he did.
And lumping him in with LBJ is obscene.
I don’t care how the Left had abused his legacy and name for their own purposes - it doesn’t change what he did and taught. And if what he did and taught wasn’t Christian, then Christianity is useless.
Forget about where MLK's soul is. And forget about what he did, because that is irrelevant.
To be an orthodox chrstian one must believe the dogmas. He admitted he did not, therefore he was not an orthodox chrstian.
Spoken like a true liberal!
This jackass has no business deciding whether or not MLK was a Christian. He professed it, and preached it. This article is basically garbage. Wonder how this guys life would look if someone gave it that same rectal exam?
MLK did not profess orthodox chrstianity! He denied the dogmas! Orthodox chrstianity is not a moral philosophy, like Gandhi's. It professes to be a supernatural religion. King rejected supernatural religion.
He was not an orthodox chrstian. His moral philosophy and accomplishments are completely irrelevant to the point being discussed.
If he had been a faithful believer in Christ, I doubt he would be so popularized and emulated by unbelieving culture.
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