Posted on 01/08/2015 2:50:42 PM PST by NYer
Then why the heck is he a spokesperson for the Catholic Church? Surely thay can do better.
Nah—poor guy has to follow the politically correct instructions of his boss:
Islam is Evil.
The KORAN itself explicitly requires the DEATH of anyone who “insults” Islam or its “prophet”.
KORAN
[33.57] Surely (as for) those who speak evil things of Allah and His Apostle, Allah has cursed them in this world and the here after, and He has prepared for them a chastisement bringing disgrace.
[33.58] And those who speak evil things of the believing men and the believing women without their having earned (it), they are guilty indeed of a false accusation and a manifest sin.
[33.59] O Prophet! say to your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers that they let down upon them their over-garments; this will be more proper, that they may be known, and thus they will not be given trouble; and Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.
[33.60] If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease and the agitators in the city do not desist, We shall most certainly set you over them, then they shall not be your neighbors in it but for a little while;
[33.61] Cursed: wherever they are found they shall be seized and murdered, a (horrible) murdering.
[33.62] (Such has been) the course of Allah with respect to those who have gone before; and you shall not find any change in the course of Allah.
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=650389
If you agree with believing Muslims AT ALL on this matter then you endorse by implication the Koranic mandate to kill insulters of Islam.
In the Hadith, the above mandate of “Allah” is given practical example. Muhammad ordered the murder of Ka’b bin Ashraf whose “crime” was speaking ill of Islam. He got former friends of Ashraf to do the deed and authorized them to use lies and deception (Taqiyyah) to get close to their victim.
HADITH Sahih Muslim, Book 19, Chapter 41: THE MURDER OF KA’B B. ASHRAF, (THE EVIL GENIUS) OF THE JEWS [for authoring songs and jokes about Muhammad]
HADITH Sahih Muslim [19:4436] It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir that the Messenger of Allah said: Who will kill Ka’b b. Ashraf? He has maligned Allah, the Exalted, and His Messenger. Muhammad b. Maslama said: Messenger of Allah, do you wish that I should kill him? He said: Yes. He said: Permit me to talk (to him in the way I deem fit). He said: Talk (as you like). So, Muhammad b. Maslama came to Ka’b and talked to him, referred to the old friendship between them and said: This man (i. e. the Holy Prophet) has made up his mind to collect charity (from us) and this has put us to a great hardship. When be heard this, Ka’b said: By God, you will be put to more trouble by him. Muhammad b. Maslama said: No doubt, now we have become his followers and we do not like to forsake him until we see what turn his affairs will take. I want that you should give me a loan. He said: What will you mortgage? He said: What do you want? He said: Pledge me your women. He said: You are the most handsome of the Arabs; should we pledge our women to you? He said: Pledge me your children. He said: The son of one of us may abuse us saying that he was pledged for two wasqs of dates, but we can pledge you (cur) weapons. He said: All right. Then Muhammad b. Maslama promised that he would come to him with Harith, Abu ‘Abs b. Jabr and Abbad b. Bishr. So they came and called upon him at night. He came down to them. Sufyan says that all the narrators except ‘Amr have stated that his wife said: I hear a voice which sounds like the voice of murder. He said: It is only Muhammad b. Maslama and his foster-brother, Abu Na’ila. When a gentleman is called at night even it to be pierced with a spear, he should respond to the call. Muhammad said to his companions: As he comes down, I will extend my hands towards his head and when I hold him fast, you should do your job. So when he came down and he was holding his cloak under his arm, they said to him: We sense from you a very fine smell. He said: Yes, I have with me a mistress who is the most scented of the women of Arabia. He said: Allow me to smell (the scent on your head). He said: Yes, you may smell. So he caught it and smelt. Then he said: Allow me to do so (once again). He then held his head fast and said to his companions: Do your job. And they killed him.
http://sunnah.com/muslim/32/146
Repeated in Hadith Bukhari.
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/059-sbt.php#005.059.369
These are the beliefs of every Muslim who is not apostate.
Donohue is wrong because Islam does not deserve only mockery and insult. Islam deserves eradication, preferably by the saving grace of Jesus Christ.
ISLAM DELENDA EST
Donohue agrees with you.
Anti-Catholic artists in this country have provoked me to hold many demonstrations, but never have I counseled violence.
A better question is, why do people have to mock other people's religious beliefs at all? By now everyone in the world understands how radical Islam reacts (whacky and crazy), so why do people have to post vulgar images? For a quick laugh? I think everyone would feel different if some stupid newspaper printed a very offensive picture or cartoon of someone they loved doing unspeakable sexual acts. Would you go off on a shooting rampage? No, of course not. But you would sure ask yourself what gains were made by printing such a terrible picture or cartoon - absolutely nothing! Maybe this was the point Donahue was trying to make.
Correct. We all have the right to be jerks to one another but civil people do not behave that way.
Islam is not a religion. It is a demonic blood cult and a plan for world domination; its doctrines are medieval and so are its savage adherents. It deserves mocking (and that's the LEAST of what it deserves).
"By now everyone in the world understands how radical Islam reacts"
Yeah, right. That's why Twitter is trending with "#respectislam", and the sweet little picture of the Christian and Muslim friends sitting on the grass, smiling and showing each other their Bible & Koran.
" (whacky and crazy),"
How about evil and bloodthirsty? I don't exactly consider murder and torture "whacky (sic) and crazy."
" so why do people have to post vulgar images? For a quick laugh?"
In my case, for a more prolonged laugh. Did you see the Mohammed joke thread from last night? It was brilliant!
" I think everyone would feel different if some stupid newspaper printed a very offensive picture or cartoon of someone they loved doing unspeakable sexual acts. Would you go off on a shooting rampage? No, of course not. But you would sure ask yourself what gains were made by printing such a terrible picture or cartoon - absolutely nothing! Maybe this was the point Donahue was trying to make."
I've always liked Bill Donohue in the past, but he's completely off the rails here, so I don't care what his point was. But our families, our loved ones, wouldn't deserve such offensive treatment.
On the other hand, that backward, demonically possessed child molesting "prophet"-----Mohammed, if you were wondering---richly warrants it.
He absolutely DOES NOT. As I pointed out in my very first post on this thread, Donohue BLAMED THE VICTIM. He used moral equivalency to justify his own stance.
Using moral equivalency to bolster ones own argument ALWAYS FAILS.
Which has been edited and spun to remove Donohue's blaming the victim first.
And you know that because....?
Sheesh.
And yet, when you're given the source material, you won't believe that either...
No, that website IS NOT THE SOURCE MATERIAL. That’s after the fact.
How do we know the Catholic League's Bill Donohue is both engaging in IMmoral equalivalency AND sanctioning the use of violence by Muslim extremists?
Simple.
What the Charlie H. publications have been engaged in...
...(a) hasn't been done in some dark European corner...
...and (b) has been going on for numerous years now (still, I confess I never heard of them til this week)...
...THEREFORE...IF what bothered Donohue were these French satirical publications, we should have some ongoing track record of Donohue diatribes versus them.
(Of course, the qualifier here would be -- IF -- Donohue was aware of them...if they weren't on his radar screen at all, can't expect a response from that which we aren't aware of)
If Donohue knew about these Charlie H. slams vs. religion (including Catholicism) -- and didn't respond til now -- that IS problematic to me.
How can he talked about so-called "provocation" and a response to so-called "provocations" if he wasn't provoked to publicly respond to Charlie Hebdo before January 2015?
Sheesh!
God be with you! : )
| If Donohue knew about these Charlie H. slams vs. religion (including Catholicism) -- and didn't respond til now -- that IS problematic to me. Donohue has frequently spoken out against anti-Christian issues like the notorious piss Christ. One would reasonably expect that he would have spoken out about this mag had he known about it. |
islam deserves no respect, it deserves to be scorned hated and destroyed
I generally agree with Donahue but not this time. He’s reacting like a Catholic who has been forced to see his religion denigrated time and time again and has, for some weird reason, decided to feel sorry for Islam-o-maniacs when they are held up to ridicule. Not all religions are alike, Bill.
That’s right, and from what I know of him & have seen of him, I believe he really knows that.
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