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To: wmfights
Very few mid-tribs around anymore, most have morphed into Rosenthal and Van Kampen's pre-wrath rapture camp.

From a post-tribber's perspective, their problem is the same as the pretribs, they both have two second comings.

The rapture of the pretribs and the prewrath's (and the older midtribs) amounts to a "first" second coming. Their "second" second coming identical to the singular second coming of the post-tribs occurring on "the last day."

On the occasion of her brother Lazarus' death, Martha, like all Jews of Jesus day, believed the resurrection would take place on the last day.

John 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Jesus confirmed Martha and the Jews belief correct three times in the sixth chapter of John, here's what he said in verse 39

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

10 posted on 01/04/2015 2:57:06 PM PST by sasportas
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To: sasportas

“On the occasion of her brother Lazarus’ death, Martha, like all Jews of Jesus day, believed the resurrection would take place on the last day.”

Will the “last day” occur before or after the thousand-year reign of Christ?

Because I doubt that you can find much support for arguing after. Yet, if the “last day” is BEFORE the thousand years, then in what sense is the day “last”?

There is only one second coming of Christ. But it involves multiple events over a period of time, just like His first coming. Christ’s conception, birth, growth to manhood, ministry, death, burial, and resurrection are all part of His first coming. Likewise, one aspect of Christ’s second coming is the rapture of the Church. Another is His return to earth to establish His kingdom.

His second coming involves a period of time and includes the millennial reign of a thousand years. The translation of living saints takes place in a moment. At the rapture, angels gather the elect. And we meet the Lord in the air. This is distinct from when He plants His feet on Mt. Zion and it splits in two. It is distinct from when the angels gather the wicked and cast them out.

Matthew 13:30 & 41
Let both grow together until the harvest, and at the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, “First gather together the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them, but gather the wheat into my barn.”
The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all things that offend, and those who practice lawlessness,

Matthew 24:31
And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

1 Corinthians 15:52
in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

I do not find a distinction between the time period called the “last day”, the “day of the Lord”, and the “end”. I would be interested in any evidence to the contrary.

If the last day is another way of describing the day of the Lord, then the verses you presented only support a pre-wrath view, rather than arguing against it.


11 posted on 01/04/2015 3:46:10 PM PST by unlearner (You will never come to know that which you do not know until you first know that you do not know it.)
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