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Beyond Goodbye: Are shared-death experiences real?
cnn ^ | December 26, 2014 | John Blake

Posted on 12/27/2014 9:32:14 AM PST by NYer

Edited on 12/27/2014 9:42:10 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

William Peters was working as a volunteer in a hospice when he had a strange encounter with a dying man that changed his life.

The man

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TOPICS: Religion & Science
KEYWORDS: afterlife; death; faithandphilosophy; lifeafterlife; nde; neardeathexperience
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To: ifinnegan

‘Sleep’ is frequently used in the NT to allude to death.

1 Corinthians 15:50-52New American Standard Bible (NASB)

The Mystery of Resurrection

50 Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.


61 posted on 12/27/2014 1:03:33 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Rodamala

bookmark for later


62 posted on 12/27/2014 1:03:56 PM PST by Rodamala
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To: KosmicKitty

My grandfather told us that Grandma, who had died three months earlier, visited him and told him that everything was okay and that they would be together again soon. He died in his sleep that night.

I don’t understand why so-called scientists must have matter that THEY can observe to accept it. How long did it take to “see” gravity? electricity? atoms? quanta? Scientists’ hubris in thinking they alone can determine what exists is even more astonishing than these events.


63 posted on 12/27/2014 1:06:03 PM PST by WhattheDickens? (Is anybody there?)
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To: HerrBlucher

Do you not know what the meaning of miraculous is?


64 posted on 12/27/2014 1:12:06 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: Fantasywriter

Jesu stated clearly: “Then said Jesus unto them plainly, Lazarus is dead.”

John 11:14.

No question Lazurus was dead.

He was in the tomb for four days. He was all wrapped up in burial clothes.

When he was called back by Christ, the Bible did not feel the need to tell of his experiences.


65 posted on 12/27/2014 1:14:22 PM PST by ifinnegan
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To: ifinnegan

Sure I do.


66 posted on 12/27/2014 1:31:40 PM PST by HerrBlucher (Praise to the Lord the Almighty the King of Creation)
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To: Tucker39

Wow! Similar thing happened to a voice yelling for me to stop as I pulled into an intersection. Another car was running the red light and I couldn’t see. Had both of my children (2 1/2 and infant) in the car at the time.

I stopped. Saw the car tearing through bareley missing us. I was pretty shaken up.


67 posted on 12/27/2014 1:37:54 PM PST by RushIsMyTeddyBear (The White House is now known as "Casa Blanca".)
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To: RoosterRedux

There are ... indignities involved in the act of dying. Maybe she didn’t want her to see that and remember her that way.


68 posted on 12/27/2014 1:41:05 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: ifinnegan

What point have you been arguing? Or is there one?


69 posted on 12/27/2014 1:42:21 PM PST by Fantasywriter (Any attempt to do forensic work using Internet artifacts is fraught with pitfalls. JoeProbono)
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To: Tucker39

Such a sweet story. ( My heart is full.)


70 posted on 12/27/2014 2:04:15 PM PST by wintertime
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To: NYer

Thank you much for the clarification. Amazing story.


71 posted on 12/27/2014 2:16:46 PM PST by mupcat
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To: NYer

I posted this story in a Halloween thread about ghosts some years ago. My grandfather died of liver cancer in the early 60’s. He’d worked for AT&T & always wore a Fedora. He was a Francophile, loving everything French & would only let us call him Grandpere.

My father was in the Air Force & a couple of years after Grandpere’s death we were transferred to Hawaii. One night my parents were at a party, leaving my oldest sister Laurie in charge. We had speakers (KLH9’s) that were about 6 feet tall. My sister saw a shadow moving back & forth across the wall where the speakers were, but oddly the shadow didn’t fall ON the speakers, but walked (human form) back & forth behind them. The form also had a hat like a fedora. Laurie new it was my grandfather. Another sister also saw an odd shadow & had the same sense that it was my grandfather. Both sisters told my mother separately what they’d seen the next morning. My mother thought they were pulling a prank on her. When my father finally woke up later my mother told him what the girls had said. My father responded, “I wasn’t going to tell you this, but I woke up last night & saw Grandpere at the foot of my bed.”

My mother had been mourning Grandpere’s death, particularly as he’d always wanted to visit Hawaii. She thinks it was his way of telling her, “Don’t mourn, I’m with you.”


72 posted on 12/27/2014 2:38:08 PM PST by Twotone (Truth is hate to those who hate truth.)
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To: RegulatorCountry; All
Yes. I know.

I am a caregiver for my 94 year old mom. She is on hospice and has a home care specialist come each afternoon.

She is getting weaker and weaker but has not yet started to have visions of relatives. I look forward to that...vy comforting for her and for me.

She can no longer walk and is eating very little. She is in a hospital bed in my living room.

We expect that she will go within the next month (or tonight...who knows).

73 posted on 12/27/2014 2:42:56 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: ifinnegan
How does Lazurus’ story differ from all the current stories of coming back from death or near death?

well, as Martha pointed out: he was in the ground for three days and already stinkith.

In Africa and Muslim lands, often people faint or go comatose and are thought to be dead, so might be buried prematurely. So raising someone from the dead is not an unknown occurance. Jesus delayed a couple days before going to Lazurus' house in order to make a point that he wasn't merely dead, he was really really dead.(to quote the Wizard of Oz)

People knew the difference, just as they saw the man born blind who got his sight as a bigger miracle than giving sight to ordinary blind folks, where a medical explanation might happen.

Statistically about 5 percent of mentally stable people have seen the dead, almost as if the dead want them to leave a message for their loved ones. And about 60 percent of widows/widowers see, hear, dream about or feel the presence of their beloved dead spouses.

And in medicine, we all know patients who come out of comas to say goodbye (my father did) or who saw someone, usually a close relative, "from the other side" when they were dying.

Often patients know when they will die, and we were told in medical school if a person said they didn't want to have surgery because they will die, then we shouldn't do the surgery, because sure enough they will die. Or we will have people cling to life until a relative comes. Sometimes they will die after a priest or minister prays for them and tells them they are in God's hands... I had one man, terminal, that would not give in, even after I sent him to be prayed over. It turned out that his son was in Afghanistan. We arranged the son to come home, and he was with the father when he died a week later.

As for "near death experiences": The book on the passengers who were on the plane that landed in the Hudson river relates that many of them had "near death experience" where they saw their lives pass in front of them, etc. Yes, probably from stress, but these things are documented.

74 posted on 12/27/2014 2:43:01 PM PST by LadyDoc (liberals only love politically correct poor people)
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To: RoosterRedux

You are a good son.


75 posted on 12/27/2014 2:50:28 PM PST by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: combat_boots
Thx...but nothing any of us wouldn't do in the right situation.

I had the opportunity that many of us don't have.

76 posted on 12/27/2014 2:53:53 PM PST by RoosterRedux
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To: NYer

To All: This world is but dust and cardboard. However, the people in it are real. Treat them well. Love. Work. The physical is ephemera. The people aren’t.


77 posted on 12/27/2014 2:56:22 PM PST by piytar (No government has ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason.)
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To: NYer

Sexy. Life after death is the sexiest concept in the world. I like it.


78 posted on 12/27/2014 3:02:17 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Two parties, governing AGAINST the will of the people, not with the consent of the governed." --MrB)
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To: RoosterRedux

Awh. I’m so sorry. Treasure every moment.


79 posted on 12/27/2014 3:02:52 PM PST by Lazamataz ("Two parties, governing AGAINST the will of the people, not with the consent of the governed." --MrB)
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To: I want the USA back

We know what it’s like to take a step in time: occasionally, God allows a glimpse into eternity. Who are we to question? It happened in Scripture, both in the Old and New Testaments. Who are we, in our finite minds, to question the infinite? My family had many stories such as these: they were poor, uneducated, from the old country. They knew their dependence on God, and on their neighbors, and had none of the technology in their lives that we do to distract their minds. It was God, family and friends, and work. They looked at death as part of life, and occurrences such as these were not uncommon: nor were they taken for granted. I believe they had a profound wisdom that cannot be learned in a classroom; I only wish I were the same...


80 posted on 12/27/2014 3:24:16 PM PST by Grateful2God (And Mary said, "My soul doth magnify the Lord, and my spirit hath rejoiced in God, my Savior!")
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