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To: OneWingedShark

>> “And you are ignoring that Jesus said that He would lose none of who God gave Him” <<

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Here you go again placing your own preferred meaning on a Biblical statement that places it in conflict with other Biblical statements.

All it means is that you have more study to do before making the next assertion. God’s word, properly understood, has no contradictions.

Yeshua said only that he lost none of those given him. (the core disciples, he actually ‘lost’ thousands as noted in John’s gospel)

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177 posted on 12/21/2014 1:03:54 PM PST by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
Here you go again placing your own preferred meaning on a Biblical statement that places it in conflict with other Biblical statements.

When Jesus says I will lose none of them, it seems pretty clear to me.
When Jesus says no one will snatch them out of my hand it seems pretty clear to me.

John 10:28 is clearly about the flock of sheep that had been given him; just a few verses earlier [in Jn 10:16] he mentions sheep not of this pen (which is/are/were the gentiles) — which were not brought in until after his resurrection and plainly weren't the Twelve.

Likewise, John 10:36 is not strictly about the Twelve either, for a single verse before (Jn 10:35), Jesus says: I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry, and whoever believes in me will never be thirsty.

It seems to me that you are calling Jesus a liar when you reject these, claiming that Yeshua said only that he lost none of those given him. (the core disciples, he actually ‘lost’ thousands as noted in John’s gospel).

179 posted on 12/21/2014 1:25:07 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: editor-surveyor; OneWingedShark
>>(the core disciples, he actually ‘lost’ thousands as noted in John’s gospel)<<

Not of those the Father gave Him he didn't.

195 posted on 12/21/2014 5:36:49 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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