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Changes in Catholic Attitudes Toward Bible Readings
United States Conference of Catholic Bishops website ^ | Msgr. Daniel Kutys

Posted on 12/19/2014 6:27:23 AM PST by Alex Murphy

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To: Alex Murphy

I know a lot of Catholics but I can’t think of any who are serious about anything spiritual. They’re mostly serious about eating, drinking and football and such.


41 posted on 12/19/2014 9:18:33 AM PST by DungeonMaster (No one can come to me unless the Father who sent Me draws him.)
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To: Salvation

I don’t think Msgr was stating that the scripture in the ‘worship aid’ in the pew is not from the Bible. I think he was saying that many Catholics consider the question more literally and therefore answer it incorrectly.

If you asked me if I read the Bible weekly, I would initially answer ‘no’, because I infer that to mean independent reading outside of Mass. But I am, and I believe all church-going Catholics are, aware that I read scripture from the Bible every time I go to Mass.

IMHO

Love,
O2


42 posted on 12/19/2014 9:20:06 AM PST by omegatoo (You know you'll get your money's worth...become a monthly donor!)
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To: Alex Murphy

At one time the Catholic Church actively discouraged the flock from reading the Bible. Only the highly educated clergy were capable of understanding and “interpreting” it for them.

Not the case today.


43 posted on 12/19/2014 9:25:10 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: lastchance

“What about whether “signs” are still valid?”

A valid point. Some churches go to either extreme, either requiring signs or refusing to acknowledge any. It is certainly an area that divides churches.

FWIW, my sister is a Trinity-believing pentacostal and I am not, but we’ve both worshiped without a problem in each other’s churches. But you are still fully correct to add that to the list I gave.

There are probably others, but I doubt a very good list would run beyond single digits. American and Southern Baptists, for example, split in the 1800s over the issue of missionaries owning slaves. I’m a Southern Baptist since I’m a member of an SBC congregation, but I was baptized by an American Baptist. I’ve known baptists who were baptized by Lutherans and Methodists. For membership, our congregation requires believer’s baptism, but we do not specify any denomination.

To be honest, belief in the Trinity is one of the best ways of discerning between cult and Christian. We would accept baptism by a Catholic priest, provided it was done as recognition of conversion and not an an infant. We would not accept it from the LDS, or a pentacostal church that rejected the Trinity.


44 posted on 12/19/2014 9:26:39 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Can you remember what America was like in 2004?)
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To: Campion
partial indulgence is granted to the faithful who, with the veneration due the divine Word, make a spiritual reading from the Sacred Scriptures. A plenary indulgence is granted if this reading is continued for at least one half an hour. -- Pope Benedict XV, Spiritus Paraclitus, 1920

More with the non-biblical indulgences!

45 posted on 12/19/2014 10:09:15 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: lastchance
A dunderhead in clerical robes is still a dunderhead. I am not required to pretend a monsignor is right when he is clearly wrong.

Are you making your own personal interpretation??

What means/methods do you use to determine if the msgr is a "dunderhead"?

Thought all catholics were like the borg....move with one mind.

46 posted on 12/19/2014 10:11:35 AM PST by ealgeone
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To: Steve_Seattle
My sister is in the choir at her Catholic church, and I bet she hasn’t opened a Bible in 20 years. My mother is a regular Mass attendee, was in the choir until she got too old, and probably hasn’t read the Bible in 20 years, either.

IMHO, there is nothing more sacred and joyous than lifting up our voices to God in praise, supplication and endless gratitude. Good for you sister.

There is TOO much in the Bible to SOMETIMES confuse me. So, I let those who LIFE'S WORK revolves around, among other things, sacred Scripture, explain meanings. They DO know the confusing, seemingly unfair and unclear meanings and are always ready, willing and able to explain.

47 posted on 12/19/2014 10:24:03 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: ealgeone
A dunderhead in clerical robes is still a dunderhead. I am not required to pretend a monsignor is right when he is clearly wrong.

Are you making your own personal interpretation??
What means/methods do you use to determine if the msgr is a "dunderhead"?
Thought all catholics were like the borg....move with one mind.

Priests HAVE to have a certain I.Q. these days AND pass a multitude of psychological exams.
No dunderheads these days, nor are there any pedophiles.
There are a few who have had too many big meals...but that's not so abnormal in us humans.

Thanks for your clear, concise and slightly humorous response to him. You hit EXACTLY the correct words and tone.

48 posted on 12/19/2014 10:30:12 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: DungeonMaster
I know a lot of Catholics but I can’t think of any who are serious about anything spiritual. They’re mostly serious about eating, drinking and football and such.

I grew up a Catholic. All my family, friends and school mates were Catholic. I can attest to that. They drank beer and took God's name in vain profusely.
49 posted on 12/19/2014 11:30:19 AM PST by Old Yeller (Civil rights are for civilized people.)
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To: Buckeye McFrog
At one time the Catholic Church actively discouraged the flock from reading the Bible. Only the highly educated clergy were capable of understanding and “interpreting” it for them.
,br> Not the case today.


If you read a legitimate bible (and not the Catholic bible), why would you remain a a Catholic, since so many of their practices are against what the bible says.
50 posted on 12/19/2014 11:33:09 AM PST by Old Yeller (Civil rights are for civilized people.)
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To: Alex Murphy

Considering that Catholic bibles contain higher critical commentary, they’re better off not reading it at all.


51 posted on 12/19/2014 12:13:50 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Throne and Altar! [In Jerusalem!!!])
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To: cloudmountain

To read the actual word of God is a tremendous privilege? Why would you not take advantage of that? It’s feeding for the soul. There is enough there that you don’t have to ask another for guidance. Psalms are easily understood for example and truly.strengthening.


52 posted on 12/19/2014 12:15:30 PM PST by what's up
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To: ealgeone

Church leaders are more into social issues than deep study of god’s word. But in the latter lies revival.


53 posted on 12/19/2014 12:19:17 PM PST by what's up
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To: ealgeone

His ignorance of Catholic history and teaching regarding the reading of Scripture.


54 posted on 12/19/2014 1:05:50 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Petrosius

Good point.


55 posted on 12/19/2014 1:06:22 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Mr Rogers

Thank you for your civility. Writing that there were bad translations in the vulgar did not mean all of them were. I did not mean to give that impression.

I have no debate regarding Christ being necessary for our eternal life with Him.


56 posted on 12/19/2014 1:09:33 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Mr Rogers

I agree that a shared doctrine on the Trinity is one of the best ways to discern between Christians and Cults. We Catholics consider Baptisms by other sects valid. We stopped accepting baptisms done by LDS a few years ago when it was made clear that their understanding of the Trinity was far different from traditional Christian belief.

May the Joy of awaiting the celebration of Christ’s Birth enlighten your heart and home.


57 posted on 12/19/2014 1:13:11 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: Old Yeller

Drinking beer is not along the same lines as blasphemy.


58 posted on 12/19/2014 1:14:13 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: cloudmountain

Has not the totally inane statements coming from much of Academia not taught you that IQ level is not a protection against ignorance in matters both large and small?


59 posted on 12/19/2014 1:15:47 PM PST by lastchance (Credo.)
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To: defconw

Aaaahhhhh, the wisdom of that generation! : )


60 posted on 12/19/2014 1:23:05 PM PST by Grateful2God (preastat fides supplementum sensuum defectui)
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