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To: Petrosius; Alex Murphy; metmom; BlueDragon; redleghunter; CynicalBear
There is indeed such a class of clergy since the office of presbyter still exists and is commonly known as "priest."

No matter how much you want to repeat it, the word which the Holy Spirit distinctively uses for priests*, is “hiereus” or “archiereus.” (Heb. 4:15; 10:11) is never used for NT pastors. Nor do the words presbuteros (senior/elder) or episkopos (superintendent/overseer) - which He does use for NT pastors - mean "priest."

Granted but the problem is not that priest is used for presbuteros but that it is used for hiereus.

Indeed. Thus the rebuke of its use for presbuteros is valid.

No, this introduces a new problem in that it disassociates the modern office of the Catholic priest from that of the New Testament presbyter.

No, as that is Rome's problem with the Holy Spirit, as it is He who unlike Rome, never uses the distinctive title given to OT and pagan hiereus for presbuteros, nor describes the latter as engaging in a uniquely sacrificial function, or as offering bread and wine as their primary one.

Thus it is God which disassociates the modern office of the Catholic priest from that of the New Testament presbyter. Best not to argue with the Holy Spirit's choice of words by making His distinctions of none effect by using the same word for OT and pagan priests as NT presbuteros. But such befits her autocratic arrogance.

98 posted on 12/18/2014 8:19:34 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
No matter how much you want to repeat it, the word which the Holy Spirit distinctively uses for priests*, is “hiereus” or “archiereus.” (Heb. 4:15; 10:11) is never used for NT pastors. Nor do the words presbuteros (senior/elder) or episkopos (superintendent/overseer) - which He does use for NT pastors - mean "priest."

No matter how much you want to repeat it, the use of preost/priest for presbuteros did not come about by employing an English word that only meant hiereus. The insistence that priest can only mean hiereus is a linguistic fallacy.

No, as that is Rome's problem with the Holy Spirit, as it is He who unlike Rome, never uses the distinctive title given to OT and pagan hiereus for presbuteros …

But preost/priest is not a distinctive title given to TO and pagan hiereus. It was a distinctive title given only to presbuteros, a usage that has lasted for over a thousand years. Its use for hiereus came latter.

Thus it is God which disassociates the modern office of the Catholic priest from that of the New Testament presbyter.

It is not God but Tyndale and his following Protestants who have attempted to disassociate the two.

105 posted on 12/19/2014 5:27:28 AM PST by Petrosius
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