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To: imardmd1
Now when John had heard in the prison the works of Christ, he sent two of his disciples, And said unto him, Art thou he that should come, or do we look for another? Jesus answered and said unto them, Go and shew John again those things which ye do hear and see: The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them. And blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me.
-- Matthew, Catholic chapter eleven, Protestant verses two through six

Then saith Jesus unto them, All ye shall be offended because of me this night: for it is written, I will smite the shepherd, and the sheep of the flock shall be scattered abroad. But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee.
-- Matthew, Catholic chapter twenty six, Protestant verses thirty one and two

The prophecy had to be fulfilled. All the Apostles left Messiah; John returned first, and he was with the blessed Virgin of Israel, Miriam/Mary the mother of Jesus, God with us. All Messiah's apostles, sans Judas, were saved while they were with Him, just like He said. I'm not sure where you get your teaching. It seems to me you do not believe what this verse says.

While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
-- John, Catholic chapter seventeen, Protestant verse twelve

6,770 posted on 01/22/2015 7:01:29 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
It is not clear how the first of these passages bear on this topic. The issue was:

"Was the Holy Spirit upon Peter who cut off a soldier's ear?"

(from ealgeone to af_vet_1982, also ent to imardmd1)

My answer was "No" and I gave good and sufficient reasons to support that conclusion.

It is true that while following the Master Teacher, Peter was under His care, in that Jesus/God was not only Rabbi, but also Comforter. But so was Judas, who was given over to the Devil. During that period, The Holy Spirit, another Comforter of the same kind, was (as far as Peter or any of the other disciples were concerned) yet in The Heavens (Jn. 16:7). This pronouncement came on the same evening after supper.

Then they walked over to the Mount of Olives, where Jesus overcame the onslaught of the Devil who attacked him while Peter slept, without praying for his Master, while Jesus took up the cup of a mighty, blood-sweating battle.

Almost immediately after, Peter foolishly interfered with the temple guards who were trying to identify Jesus. Peter was not assigned to do this, but stepped in and performed an earotomy on the High Priest's servant Malchus. Peter, prompted by Satan, tried to get a knife fight going in which Satan might have gotten Jesus killed for "resisting arrest." This required Jesus to intervene and heal the wounded one supernaturally, so that He could continue on to the Cross, according to His plan.

And then, just a short time after, Peter six times very vociferously denied any association with Jesus the Galilean, even to the very face of the same Malchus whose ear had been healed from Peter's wound!

And then, after his Master had been crucified, but with the hope of an uprising against the Roman oppessors gone, Peter left the whole mess behind. Rather than following the resurrected Savior, he left for home, drawing away some of his pals, saying, "I go a-fishing" (Jn. 21:3). Was the Holy Ghost with/on him?

I say "No," and you can't prove otherwise, IMHO.

6,784 posted on 01/23/2015 3:37:06 AM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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