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To: daniel1212
as Catholics (adding error to error) believe Christ gave His actual flesh and blood to be eaten, ...

That is not what Catholics believe.

If you believe that, you're a willful believer in a lie you've been told. If you don't believe that, you're a liar yourself.

172 posted on 12/14/2014 5:17:05 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: DuncanWaring
as Catholics (adding error to error) believe Christ gave His actual flesh and blood to be eaten, ..

That is not what Catholics believe. If you believe that, you're a willful believer in a lie you've been told. If you don't believe that, you're a liar yourself.

Really? Besides your false dilemma, then i have a lot of Catholic company. For if you believe that Catholics do not believe that, then you are either ignorant or a willful believer in a lie you've been told. Unless you are objecting to a technical distinction btwn. "actual" and "real," and thank you for bringing this to my attention. Do you deny the consecrated elements actually are his body? That Christ's Body and Blood, soul and divinity is present in each molecule of the consecrated bread or in each drop of the consecrated wine? Would you find "believe Christ gave His real flesh and blood for the disciples to actual partake of," acceptable?

But in fact many of your own tell us it is His "actual" flesh and blood.

Even from Catholic Answers:

The doctrine of transubstantiation, the teaching that bread and wine are converted into the actual flesh and blood of Jesus Christ, is difficult...In 1263, a German priest known as Peter of Prague was struggling with the doctrine of transubstantiation. While he was saying Mass in Bolseno, Italy, blood began to stream out of the host and onto the corporal at the moment of consecration. - Ronald J. Rychlak is the Associate Dean for Academic Affairs and the MDLA Professor of Law as the University of Mississippi School of Law.

staycatholic.com: The Church has always taught that the Eucharist is the actual body and blood of Jesus Christ. This is difficult for some to accept. However, belief in the Real Presence rests upon the words of Christ Himself. -http://www.staycatholic.com/the_eucharist.htm

ewtn.com: Take His actual flesh into your mouth and into your digestive system, eat the flesh of a guy who lived 2000 years ago? You do that?The Church doesn't really believe it's the actual body and blood of Christ, does it? It's just a symbolic thing, right? A meal, right?...Well, guess again. The Church does believe the Eucharist is the real body and blood of Christ. -https://www.ewtn.com/library/YOUTH/REALBODY.TXT

catholic-church.org: At the moment of Consecration, during the Mass, the "gifts" of bread and wine are transformed (transubstantiated) into the actual Body and Blood of Christ, at the Altar. This means that they are not only spiritually transformed, but rather are actually (substantially) transformed into the Body and Blood of Christ. The elements retain the appearance of bread and wine, but are indeed the actual Body and Blood of Christ. This is what is meant by Real Presence: the actual, physical presence of Jesus in the Eucharist. - http://www.catholic-church.org/kuwait/eucharistic_adoration.htm

Father Anthony Marques, catholicvirginian.org: Recently, a parishioner asked me: “Father, is the Eucharist the actual Body of Christ?”..I explained to her that the Eucharist is the actual Body of Christ...While Christ’s body is in heaven according to his natural mode of existence, it can simultaneously be present in the Eucharist according to a supernatural mode of existence... So, yes, the Eucharist is the actual Body of Christ. http://www.catholicvirginian.org/archive/2013/2013vol89iss3/pages/article7.html

http://cathoolic.com: Why do Catholics believe their Holy Communion is the actual Flesh and Blood of Jesus Christ? Why don’t they believe as Protestants do that Christ is only present symbolically, or spiritually, in the consecrated bread and wine? Catholics believe that their Holy Communion, the Blessed Eucharist, is the actual Flesh and Blood of Jesus Christ, because that is what Christ said It was: “This is my body . . . This is my blood” (Matt. 26:26-28; see also Luke 22:19-20 and Mark 14:22-24); because that is what Christ said they must receive in order to have eternal life: - http://cathoolic.com/catholic-answers/holy-communion-actual-flesh-blood-jesus/“

http://catholicozarks.blogspot.com: Is Holy Communion Real or Symbolic? ..Transubstantiation is the belief that the bread and wine elements in communion, really and truly, become the actual body (flesh) and blood of Jesus Christ once they are consecrated by an authentic priest in the Divine Liturgy of the Holy Eucharist (or "Holy Mass"). - http://catholicozarks.blogspot.com/2014/06/is-holy-communion-real-or-symbolic.html

It is food actual and real – not merely symbolic. Hence what we eat at the Table of the Eucharist is actual food, the Flesh of Jesus. http://www.aquinas.lk/articles_details.php?wg_id=154

ancientfaith.com/ (though Antiochian Orthodox) For there is no question, you see, that from the days of the first believers until the 16th century, the Body of Christ in its entirety, before the Great Schism and afterward, held to the truth that the bread and wine of the Eucharist are the actual body and blood of the Lord Jesus. - http://www.ancientfaith.com/podcasts/pilgrims/john_663_and_the_eucharist

222 posted on 12/14/2014 7:44:50 PM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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