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Beware the Red Kettle: The Salvation Army and Abortion
Catholic Stand ^ | December 12, 2014 | Birgit Jones

Posted on 12/13/2014 5:24:46 AM PST by NYer

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To: MayflowerMadam
It teaches what most actual Christian denominatons teach about the “Sacraments”, i.e., there are no sacraments in Christian theology.

It is true that the Bible does not regard either Baptism or the Lord's Supper as a means of saving grace, but the Salvation Army has gone further that what the Scripture allows here by dropping the practices altogether. Both baptism and the Lord's Supper are given to the apostles as things they should do. There is always a risk that the ceremony will become more important than the substance, but that does not relieve us of our obligation to do them, as most Christian denominations do recognize. So while I would take nothing away from their charitable activity, I don't think SA is in full submission to Scripture on this issue.

For the interested, one of their churches discusses the their position on the sacraments/ordinances here:

http://www.waterbeachsalvationarmy.org.uk/what-to-know-more/why-does-the-salvation-army-not-baptise-or-hold-communion/

And for the record, their statement on abortion is weak. It is inconsistent because it acknowledges the sacredness of human life on one hand but then allows the destruction of that life without due process under adverse conditions such as rape.  That is murder, plain and simple.  I know it's hard to be marginalized by the world system.  There's a lot to lose.  But consistency in one's walk of faith before the Lord is worth any price we might pay in the short term.

Their full position statement is here:

http://www1.salvationarmy.org/ihq/www_ihq_isjc.nsf/vw-sublinks/FE3C992C78838853802577DF0071D796?openDocument


Peace,

SR

81 posted on 12/13/2014 9:06:09 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: glennaro
How Old Is Your Church?
Please note the dates. The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus himself.
82 posted on 12/13/2014 9:22:56 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation

Repeat a false statement enough and FRoman Catholics will believe it!


83 posted on 12/13/2014 9:35:32 AM PST by Gamecock (Joel Osteen is a preacher of the Gospel like Colonel Sanders is an Army officer.)
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To: Salvation

To be clear, I support the Salvation Army because of their commitment and service to my local community. Religion has absolutely nothing to do with my support.


84 posted on 12/13/2014 9:42:45 AM PST by glennaro
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To: NYer

How disgusting...’Don’t give to poor, needy people at Christmas time’ in the name of Jesus...What a message...Who’s the unGodly moron that made this appeal???


85 posted on 12/13/2014 9:50:05 AM PST by Iscool (e)
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To: driftdiver
Wounded warrior gives around 58% of the money to veterans. That’s pretty good for charities

That's lousy...

86 posted on 12/13/2014 9:55:42 AM PST by Iscool (e)
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To: Gamecock; Salvation
Repeat a false statement enough and FRoman Catholics will believe it!


87 posted on 12/13/2014 10:03:56 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Iscool

According to the groups that rate charities it’s not bad. 3 out of 4

Regardless it’s a far cry from what the poster I was replying to said.


88 posted on 12/13/2014 10:06:28 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Salvation
How Old Is Your Church? Please note the dates.

Who gives a rip how long it's been around? (besides Catholics who seem to think it means something or proves something)

Longevity proves nothing.

The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus himself.

Not found anywhere in Scripture. Show us where Jesus named the Catholic church by name and said that He was founding it.

His comment was that He was BUILDING His church. He is the foundation, the chief cornerstone.

89 posted on 12/13/2014 10:32:06 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Salvation

It is the CHRISTIAN church which was founded by Jesus Himself, and it is composed of all those who trust in Him for salvation.


90 posted on 12/13/2014 10:33:31 AM PST by Persevero (Come on 2016)
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To: Springfield Reformer

I don’t have a problem with SA not baptizing or serving communion.

I always saw their work as a ministry, meeting short term, immediate needs, without obligation on the part of the recipient, and I believe that they encourage people to get connected with a local congregation somewhere.

We have enough churches and I think it’s better for them to remain unaffiliated and avoid the mess that can result.


91 posted on 12/13/2014 10:34:32 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Salvation
The Sacraments were instituted by Christ to give grace. They are wonderful gifts.

That's not biblical, so, your Catholic religion made it up...

You can not earn nor even merit grace for any thing you do...Following Catholic sacraments will get no one any grace...It's a fallacy...

92 posted on 12/13/2014 10:40:16 AM PST by Iscool (e)
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To: NYer
This is vile and disgusting.

Our local Salvation Army collects turkeys to distribute to families on Christmas. How does that have anything to do with contraception or abortion? I've sent men just out of prison to their storefront for a warm coat.

That red kettle just bugs people because it's money. Very telling where priorities are.

Remove me from your ping list.

93 posted on 12/13/2014 10:43:44 AM PST by DaveMSmith (Evil Comes from Falsity, So Share the Truth)
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To: Salvation
The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus himself.

Jesus founded the Christian faith shared by all who believe in Him.  The Roman schism didn't take root until approximately two centuries later, when the, according to Peter Lampe's ground-breaking historical analysis, the financial "office" that managed charitable contributions for all the churches in Rome began morphing into the seedling of the papacy.  Up until then, the churches were operating more or less under the Biblical model of a plurality of elders.  Once they got some respectability, the money was easier to get, and the presbyteries competed for power until the folks handling the money won out and crowned themselves with a power of their own making.  From there it was on to building an empire, running down anything in their path.  The assist from Constantine didn't hurt either.  

But God never lost track of His true sheep, whom Paul says weren't made up of the noble classes, but the poor and the weak and the foolish by the world's standards.  Look to our founding. Not a "Holy Father" nor a philosopher-king nor a well-wardrobed Pontifex Maximus among them.  Just fishermen and tax collectors and other such ragamuffins.  God has it this way on purpose. He will not give His glory to another.

Peace,

SR 
94 posted on 12/13/2014 10:58:56 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Iscool
You can not earn nor even merit grace for any thing you do...Following Catholic sacraments will get no one any grace...It's a fallacy...

Their problem, besides believing that it does, is that they also believe that the grace runs out and needs to be replenished constantly. Hence the need for always having to take communion on a regular basis.

Fortunately, Scripture tells the believer that God has LAVISHED His grace on us, not doled it out in stingy little parcels.

Ephesians 1:7-10 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.

95 posted on 12/13/2014 11:08:40 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
We have enough churches and I think it’s better for them to remain unaffiliated and avoid the mess that can result

Well, but they are a church:

http://christianity.about.com/od/Salvation-Army/a/Salvation-Army-Church-Beliefs.htm

I understand your reluctance to criticize them, and I share that reluctance, because who can fault them for the great good they have done?  But they are a church, and that means they are as liable to criticism for failure to obey Scripture as anyone else should be who professes faith in Christ.  If the Scripture is our standard, it must be applied impartially.  

Peace,

SR
96 posted on 12/13/2014 11:20:25 AM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: Springfield Reformer

I didn’t realize that they were considered a church.

I thought it was more a charitable, non-denom organization.


97 posted on 12/13/2014 11:40:14 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: NYer

If you support the Salvation Army, try to drop a token coin into every bucket that you see.

While the money adds up, by sharing it among all the buckets you are helping the morale of each of the individuals who are doing this difficult task, every person that nods and drops a coin, helps the bell ringer get past all the averted eyes and complaints that might make them wonder if they couldn’t be doing something else that day.

It is positive reinforcement for the poor slug doing the hard work and standing on concrete, in front of the public.


98 posted on 12/13/2014 11:45:47 AM PST by ansel12
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To: Patriot365

What, the Wounded warrior project? 97 cents of every dollar doesn’t go to the warriors? I didn’t know that. That sickens me.


99 posted on 12/13/2014 12:16:11 PM PST by Engedi
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To: ansel12
It is positive reinforcement for the poor slug doing the hard work and standing on concrete, in front of the public.

I would say they are positive reinforcement for this poor slug who dreads shopping! The fella ringing the bell last week in front of our Hobby Lobby was terrific! He was chipper and was opening the door for customers--his attitude sure improved mine! The Salvation Army collected a little money from me but I collected a smile and an attitude adjustment. I just love the jingling bell and happy face greeting me.

100 posted on 12/13/2014 12:19:15 PM PST by Irenic (The pencil sharpener and Elmer's glue is put away-- we've lost the red wheelbarrow)
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