Posted on 12/13/2014 5:24:46 AM PST by NYer
It is true that the Bible does not regard either Baptism or the Lord's Supper as a means of saving grace, but the Salvation Army has gone further that what the Scripture allows here by dropping the practices altogether. Both baptism and the Lord's Supper are given to the apostles as things they should do. There is always a risk that the ceremony will become more important than the substance, but that does not relieve us of our obligation to do them, as most Christian denominations do recognize. So while I would take nothing away from their charitable activity, I don't think SA is in full submission to Scripture on this issue.
For the interested, one of their churches discusses the their position on the sacraments/ordinances here:
And for the record, their statement on abortion is weak. It is inconsistent because it acknowledges the sacredness of human life on one hand but then allows the destruction of that life without due process under adverse conditions such as rape. That is murder, plain and simple. I know it's hard to be marginalized by the world system. There's a lot to lose. But consistency in one's walk of faith before the Lord is worth any price we might pay in the short term.
Their full position statement is here:
http://www1.salvationarmy.org/ihq/www_ihq_isjc.nsf/vw-sublinks/FE3C992C78838853802577DF0071D796?openDocument
Peace,
SR
Repeat a false statement enough and FRoman Catholics will believe it!
To be clear, I support the Salvation Army because of their commitment and service to my local community. Religion has absolutely nothing to do with my support.
How disgusting...’Don’t give to poor, needy people at Christmas time’ in the name of Jesus...What a message...Who’s the unGodly moron that made this appeal???
That's lousy...
According to the groups that rate charities it’s not bad. 3 out of 4
Regardless it’s a far cry from what the poster I was replying to said.
Who gives a rip how long it's been around? (besides Catholics who seem to think it means something or proves something)
Longevity proves nothing.
The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus himself.
Not found anywhere in Scripture. Show us where Jesus named the Catholic church by name and said that He was founding it.
His comment was that He was BUILDING His church. He is the foundation, the chief cornerstone.
It is the CHRISTIAN church which was founded by Jesus Himself, and it is composed of all those who trust in Him for salvation.
I don’t have a problem with SA not baptizing or serving communion.
I always saw their work as a ministry, meeting short term, immediate needs, without obligation on the part of the recipient, and I believe that they encourage people to get connected with a local congregation somewhere.
We have enough churches and I think it’s better for them to remain unaffiliated and avoid the mess that can result.
That's not biblical, so, your Catholic religion made it up...
You can not earn nor even merit grace for any thing you do...Following Catholic sacraments will get no one any grace...It's a fallacy...
Our local Salvation Army collects turkeys to distribute to families on Christmas. How does that have anything to do with contraception or abortion? I've sent men just out of prison to their storefront for a warm coat.
That red kettle just bugs people because it's money. Very telling where priorities are.
Remove me from your ping list.
Their problem, besides believing that it does, is that they also believe that the grace runs out and needs to be replenished constantly. Hence the need for always having to take communion on a regular basis.
Fortunately, Scripture tells the believer that God has LAVISHED His grace on us, not doled it out in stingy little parcels.
Ephesians 1:7-10 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight making known to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
I didn’t realize that they were considered a church.
I thought it was more a charitable, non-denom organization.
If you support the Salvation Army, try to drop a token coin into every bucket that you see.
While the money adds up, by sharing it among all the buckets you are helping the morale of each of the individuals who are doing this difficult task, every person that nods and drops a coin, helps the bell ringer get past all the averted eyes and complaints that might make them wonder if they couldn’t be doing something else that day.
It is positive reinforcement for the poor slug doing the hard work and standing on concrete, in front of the public.
What, the Wounded warrior project? 97 cents of every dollar doesn’t go to the warriors? I didn’t know that. That sickens me.
I would say they are positive reinforcement for this poor slug who dreads shopping! The fella ringing the bell last week in front of our Hobby Lobby was terrific! He was chipper and was opening the door for customers--his attitude sure improved mine! The Salvation Army collected a little money from me but I collected a smile and an attitude adjustment. I just love the jingling bell and happy face greeting me.
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