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To: af_vet_1981
In spite of the other, just prior notes which you had sent (days ago) in a small series, which contents for are simple enough -- but have some small little baby trainwreck tangles in them (as usual for this forum?) that I have no real desire to put back on track; in this last note, in the opening sentence there was something significant.

Yes, it was about death-his-sacrificial. It was about Life, too...

I never said it was a "secondary" start, yet it was His first miracle that we know of (from actual apostolic source, that is).

All that good stuff...until the hour of glorification? Almost a strange word choice, that. "Glorification". Begs the question -- when was that?

If the crucifixion ---- would that not result in Him having led her along in -- all those Jesus-rappery buzz-words strung together, "bond of faith, hope...charity" just to then later (at "glorification"?) painfully and miserably let her down?

She did experience a [ahem] big-time feeling of being let-down, disappointed. Like -- everything lovely, cherished, hoped and longed for in the entire universe turned away, was snatched away, God too perhaps she then felt -- had done this, allowed this --- her son dying, God too dying, dead/was never alive but if He is can be cruel, is cruel, a different God, cruel beyond comprehension, not Just, not what she knew was true before --- too much to bear -- grief beyond unbearable and continuing to accelerate...

It was all too much. She too was as dead, on her feet, standing there. A living shell of a woman, rooted to the spot, unable to continue to bear witnessing what was utterly gruesomely horrifying and real in all it's gore & blood that was her firstborn son Son of Promise, son of the most High. From that Son --- now the most High God had turned His own back, turned away from herself, her people and nation too --- the ramifications and meaning of all this (at that moment, if that were to have been as it seemed then, The End) even more deeply ugly than the gaping wounds in the flesh of her son Jesus ---yet herself unable to turn away, her soul having been pierced (as prophesied by Simeon).

It's no wonder then that before He died there on the cross, while himself suffering and quiet near to death, Jesus spoke to her, telling her to behold ---> John his apostle (whom Christ loved), and for John to look to Mary as his mother. John cared for her then. She needed him. John was the right one to be there. Of this we can be sufficiently assured?

Always willing to help, that's her boy Jesus.

For crying out loud, man, can't you see that the wine at the wedding, that super-abundance which He supplied Jehovah Jireh --- was symbolic too of His blood shed for payment and remission of sin? Even as also was symbolic of Life and that in more abundance?

He gave himself bodily, His very life. All of it.

The life is in the blood. Leviticus 17:11; which comes from context regarding the Law, now in retrospect, instead of being merely letter of Law (if I can use that word merely to refer to Law, doing so for reason the spirit of the Law had been long veiled, even thickly so) now reads as having been prophecy; (and it was!it was, it was)

Cherie Amour Stevie Wonder

2,595 posted on 12/24/2014 8:16:16 AM PST by BlueDragon (I could see sound,love,and the soundsetme Free,but youwerenot listening,so could not see)
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To: BlueDragon; af_vet_1981

correction, I intended “quite near”
not quiet near.


2,596 posted on 12/24/2014 8:20:15 AM PST by BlueDragon (I could see sound,love,and the soundsetme Free,but youwerenot listening,so could not see)
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To: BlueDragon
yet it was His first miracle that we know of (from actual apostolic source, that is

Yes, after a fashion. John assures us there were many other things that Jesus did, which if every one were written the world could not contain the books that would be written.

until the hour of glorification? Begs the question -- when was that?

Yes, He declared the hour had come when he would be glorified, signifying His death. He was sanctifying the name, as it were, and more, at his last Pesach/Passover. John records it.

would that not result in Him having led her along in

No. She suffered as a sword or javelin passed through her own soul, as it were. We know that she was at the cross and witnessed him die. Afterward we know she was in unity with all the Apostles and brethren in Jerusalem.

can't you see that the wine at the wedding, that super-abundance which He supplied Jehovah Jireh --- was symbolic too of His blood shed for payment and remission of sin?

No, I don't see Cana as representative of his crucifixion ala Isaiah and Psalms. I don't mind you seeing it that way. Cana was a Jewish wedding. Where and when is the next Jewish wedding going to be ? He did teach about it.

A prophet I love is Micah. The LORD sent not only Moses, but also Aaron and Miriam. Does He require of us blood sacrifices, or to do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with God ? Notwithstanding, Messiah had to die for sins not His own and rise from the dead.

    In No Particular Order
  1. Shecharchoret by Ofra Haza
  2. Somewhere Over the Rainbow by Israel "IZ" Kamakawiwo'ole
  3. Entre Dos Aquas by Paco de Lucia

2,597 posted on 12/24/2014 1:38:22 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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