Posted on 12/06/2014 3:04:38 PM PST by Salvation
Catholic Ping!
“The Blessed Virgin had not only a real mother but also a real father, and her conception was brought about according to the human laws of generation. But at the moment that her soul was joined to her body, God - in view of the merits of Christ - filled her soul with sanctifying grace.”
If this were necessary, or true or important, it is strange that God did not choose to record it in the Hebrew Scriptures, nor the Church Scriptures.
As such, we can conclude it wasn’t necessary, nor true, nor important for the Church. It is made up out of whole cloth and took almost 2,000 years to become doctrine of the RC denomination.
**As such, we can conclude it wasn’t necessary, nor true, nor important for the Church.**
The Immaculate Conception was made up? A perfect womb for the perfect Christ Child.
“The Immaculate Conception was made up? A perfect womb for the perfect Christ Child.”
To personally “like” an idea is very different than God authoritatively revealing it in His Word.
“Study to show yourself approved...”
I guess Genesis 1-11 is just uniquely impossible, huh?
“The Blessed Virgin had not only a real mother but also a real father, and her conception was brought about according to the human laws of generation. But at the moment that her soul was joined to her body, God - in view of the merits of Christ - filled her soul with sanctifying grace.”
Thank you for that explanation. As a Protestant I don’t believe it - but it does help me understand things better. Mary WAS surely blessed of course!
In before
Yes, she was.
And may God send his blessings your way.
I think you are confused, you must be thinking of either Sola Scriptura, or Sola fidei, or perhaps both.
“The Virgin Birth It is a matter of Catholic faith that Mary was a Virgin at the conception and at the birth of Christ, and that she always remained a virgin after the birth of Christ.”
After Jesus was born Joseph did know his wife:
Matt 1:25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus.
Nice to see ya around the forum verga!
“I think you are confused, you must be thinking of either Sola Scriptura, or Sola fidei, or perhaps both.”
Not thinking about either of those. I’m thinking only that God has revealed His inspired word over thousands of years and it declares it is sufficient for salvation and maturity. In that Word, we fail to locate the idea that Mary had an immaculate conception.
Ergo, unnecessary for salvation or maturity.
How does the Church reconcile this passage ?
The word for brother in Mark 6:13 is translated 102 times in the KJV as "adelphos" brother as in actual kin relationship
Mar 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.
This has been addressed repeated on FR.
Catholic Answers:
1. The Meaning of Brother
The first thing to understand is that the term brother (Gk. adelphos) has a broader meaning than uterine brothers. It can mean a biological brother, but it can also mean an extended relative, or even a spiritual brother.
Take Genesis 13:8 for example. Here the word brother is being used to describe the relationship between Abraham and Lot, who were not biological brothers but uncle and nephew:
“So Abram said to Lot, “Let’s not have any quarreling between you and me, or between your herdsmen and mine, for we are brothers” (Gen 13:8, NIV; see also 14:12).
Because of the Bible’s broad semantic range of “brother,” we can rest assured that although St. Paul writes, “[Jesus] appeared to more than five hundred…brothers at the same time” (1 Cor. 15:6), we need not infer from this verse that Mary gave birth to more than 500 children!
Catholic Answers:
2. Children of Mary?
These “brothers” are never once called the children of Mary, although Jesus himself is (John 2:1; Acts 1:14).
3. Other Women Named Mary
James and Joseph (also called Joses), who are called Jesus’ “brothers” (Mark 6:3) are indeed the children of Mary—Just not Mary, the mother of Jesus.
After St. Matthew’s account of the crucifixion and death of Jesus, he writes:
“There were also many women there, looking on from afar, who had followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering to him; among who were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee.” (Matt. 27:56; see also Mark 15:40).
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