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Posted on 12/06/2014 3:04:38 PM PST by Salvation
You're getting that information from Lumen Gentium, a worthless document of the first non-doctrinal council of the Church.
Vatican Council II was a totally pastoral council. And it was a bad council.
Here is what the Catholic Church has always taught about muslims, prior to the Catholic Church's own French Revolution.
I don't need some fake priest that the Catholics use. I have Jesus.
1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
Jesus forgives my sins.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
We are told to go boldly before the Throne of the Father who is in heaven not some fake father.
Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
>>When was the last time you received the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ?<<
Christ abides in me full time and I in Him.
John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
I pity the Catholics who think eating a cracker is somehow eating Christ.
>>Both of the above are Gospel.<<
Not the way Catholics portray them. The perversion of scripture by Catholic belief is appalling and blasphemous.
Now, while that was a pathetic attempt at diverting the attention away from the post you responded to how about showing where the teaching of the assumption of Mary is found in scripture.
Muslims get "first place". Not the Jews, not the other Christian denominations, but the Muslims. It's yours to deal with not ours.
How do you know whether Christ forgave or retained your sins? Does he speak back to you?.
This information is obtained from the Catholic Encycolpedia Online. It advertises itself as the most comprehensive resource on Catholic teaching, history, and information ever gathered in all of human history. This easy-to-search online version was originally printed in fifteen hardcopy volumes. http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6056
No direct or categorical and stringent proof of the dogma can be brought forward from Scripture.
That in and of itself tells us all we need to know about this false doctrine that that catholic church continues to promulgate. The catholic church admits this false teaching cannot be found in Scripture. Nor can it be supported from Scripture. But that doesn't stop them from plowing ahead. The deception goes even deeper.
But the first scriptural passage which contains the promise of the redemption, mentions also the Mother of the Redeemer.
[The sentence against the first parents was accompanied by the Earliest Gospel ( Proto-evangelium ), which put enmity between the serpent and the woman : "and I will put enmity between thee and the woman and her seed; she (he) shall crush thy head and thou shalt lie in wait for her (his) heel" ( Genesis 3:15 ). The translation "she" of the Vulgate is interpretative; it originated after the fourth century, and cannot be defended critically.
Can the catholic appeal to "tradition"?
From this summary it appears that the belief in Mary's immunity from sin in her conception was prevalent amongst the Fathers, especially those of the Greek Church. The rhetorical character, however, of many of these and similar passages prevents us from laying too much stress on them, and interpreting them in a strictly literal sense. The Greek Fathers never formally or explicitly discussed the question of the Immaculate Conception.
What is left for the catholic to appeal to?
Proof from reason is all that's left. I will add, man's reason.
So it comes down to feelings and wouldn't it be a nice kind of thing for God to do for Mary. While a nice sentiment it doesn't meet the Biblical test for proof as attested to by the catholic church.
We can wish and say we hope there isn't a Hell....but we know there is as the Bible teaches this. We can wish and hope that none would ever wind up in Hell, but we know those who do not have faith in Christ will based on the Bible.
Too many false doctrines have been built upon man's reasoning and that's all that's left to the catholic regarding the immaculate conception.
This shows us what the false teaching of the immaculate conception is predicated upon. It is not in the Bible. It is based on a poor translation that cannot, by the catholic church's own admission, be defended. It comes down to man's reason which we know if subject to error.
I pray our catholic friends to examine this teaching critically and come out of the false teaching of the catholic church.
1 John 1:9 regarding forgiveness of sin.
"Man's reason" was Luther's downfall. I'm sorry he's dragging you with him.
ALERT: It Appears Your FR Account Is Infected with the Martin-Luther-Virus
You completely ignore the admissions of your own church and proceed to attack Luther. Amazing.
Never because men cannot forgive my offense against God. And neither has anyone else had their sins forgiven by mere men.
GOD is the one who has forgiven my sins.
Again, never because the bread and the wine is the bread and the wine. I don't eat flesh and blood. Eating blood if prohibited in Scripture by God Himself.
I don't willfully disobey God like that.
Both of the above are Gospel.
Neither are the gospel. The gospel is the good news about Jesus, not commands to violate God's clear commands and to think that men can forgive your sin. No priest (apostolic successor if you will) died in my place taking the penalty that my sin deserves except Jesus so He's the only one who has the legal right to forgive.
Every man his own pope.
1.2 billion personal interpretations of the CCC.
I know because He promised in Scripture that He would. I don't need to hear a voice telling me I am forgiven.
I trust in God's intrinsic nature as a good, trustworthy God who cannot lie.
If He says when I confess my sins, they are forgiven, then it's a done deal.
That's called *faith*.
Catholics, in needing physical substantiation of all things *religious* walk by sight and not by faith. Otherwise, they'd know that they can trust God to do as He promised without having to touch, feel, see, hear, and smell.
Not amazing.
Par for the course.
Such is the nature of deception.
I don't recall seeing your name in Scripture.
Review my posts. I’ve been more critical of Pope Francis than Luther.
Luther is long dead and gone. Francis, however, is not and he’s doing major damage.
I don't think anyone knows that until their own Final Judgement. Or do you get a pass and go straight to Heaven?
There are many things in the Bible which defy human reason and contradict some of our limited scientific knowledge. If each of us attempts to interpret the Bible our own way, we fall into confusion and error. As a Catholic, I choose to accept the Magisterium, that is, the teaching authority of the Church based on Scripture; tradition; the Early Church Fathers, and yes, the Successors of St. Peter. If you choose to believe sola scriptura, that’s your prerogative. Jesus gave Peter the Keys of the Kingdom: not to a gate, but to the teachings that would lead one closer to the fullness of the Faith. Right now, we all see, as St. Paul said, “through a glass darkly.” But I believe that the greatest measure of truth is found in the Roman Catholic Church.
Do you find comfort in Scripture? In your own faith? I would wager you do. Karl Marx stated in the Communist Manifesto that “religion is the opiate of the people,” a statement to which one who believes in God would react strongly. Yet I find in your posts criticism of our Catholic beliefs as of they were there simply to make us feel all warm, fuzzy, and Christmas-y! Aren’t you judging Catholicism specifically, as Marx judged all faiths? I believe you speak with the intention of enlightening your readers, and not to be unkind. St Paul says the greatest of the Spirit’s gifts is charity; please remember that your readers are also speaking of what they believe and treasure and hold onto as life itself. Hold on to your faith, keep learning, it is a great gift from God! But please don’t forget to open your heart to the infinity of God’s Knowledge and Wisdom beyond our understanding! Faith sees with the eyes of the heart, with love that never dies, while the senses and the mind can fade away! God bless you and keep you!
And if my name was named in Scripture, what about the rest of the world? That kind of reasoning would exclude the entire rest of the world. Or do you think God would have created a book big enough to contain the names of every single person to whom He made the promise?
And how would I know that was ME and not someone else with the same name?
That argument is so weak as to be laughable. Honestly, do Catholics ever think through what they spout out with as some kind of argument against Scriptural teaching?
By using *we* it gives me the certainty beyond seeing my name in print, that it includes me.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
We = you and I
God is no respecter of persons, much unlike how Catholics like to portray Him.
HE is faithful and just. He will do as He says He will.
Say the poster who is comparing another FReeper to Karl Marx.
The irony is staggering.
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