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To: ealgeone
There is absolutely NOTHING in the Bible that suggests Christians are subject to the pope. Christ, yes. A non biblic man made office....no, sir.

And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican (Mt 18:17)

But then again, sola scriptura is not my problem. If protestants choose to cleave half of the Deposit of the Faith then it is theirs.

401 posted on 12/05/2014 3:57:32 PM PST by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011

As I said....nothing says we are subject to the pope.


403 posted on 12/05/2014 4:06:10 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: JPX2011; EagleOne

Taking a verse out of context and using it to bludgeon people into submission is not good exegesis.

The whole passage is about settling disputes between brothers.

It is not a command of Jesus that all people be subject to Roman Catholicism.


409 posted on 12/05/2014 4:21:25 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: JPX2011

“And if he will not hear them: tell the church. And if he will not hear the church, let him be to thee as the heathen and publican (Mt 18:17)”

This verse is about arbitration in the local church between two believers. It is about the response to the arbitration by each of the two parties. It not about a “pope”.


417 posted on 12/05/2014 4:53:15 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: JPX2011
But then again, sola scriptura is not my problem.

And yet you cherrypick verses to try to make your point.

Could you at LEAST do it in CONTEXT?


15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.

16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

444 posted on 12/06/2014 4:00:23 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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