Join the Catholic Church and Go to Hell

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[Iscool]

It’s in the Catechism of the Catholic Church, in the gospels, in the epistles, in all the Fathers whose quotations I sent you, in Thomas Aquinas, etc., etc., all of which are at your fingertips.

You guys are so predictable...Why do you even get into discussions where you can't or are not allowed to defend your positions...

I can see that you are incapable, at least at this time, of conversing about this subject at an adult level. I will say some Hail Marys, asking Our Lady to intercede with her Son to give you the graces needed to be free of the impoverished 16th-Century novelties which have your mind imprisoned.

I am doing a lot of conversing, with the scriptures...It is you who is unwilling to engage in a conversation

Pray to whomever you want who may or may not be in heaven...I walk right thru the veil and take my prayers and personally hand them to God...But heh, that's just me...

[Arthur McGowan]

The first evidence of intellectual honesty is the ability and willingness to state one’s opponent’s position. You have not evidenced the slightest ability or willingness to do so. You have used the crudest, most cartoonish language imaginable.

Merely asserting that the isolated, mostly irrelevant snippets of Scripture and theologians you have cited make your case doesn’t make it so. You do not engage the meaning of the texts, but only ransack them.

I hope that the links I have posted will be of use to others who have the habit of intellectual honesty.

[metmom]

The Eucharist is not a matter of eating Jesus as though he had been turned into a hunk of bread, and then carrying this “Jesus” around in our stomach. That gross figment of your imagination bears no resemblance to anything taught by anybody anywhere.

What Catholics tell us is that the hunk of bread turns into Jesus somewhere along the line.

And just where else is someone going to carry around what he ate if not the stomach? There are indeed other parts of the digestive tract.

FWIW, if Catholics simply believed and stated that the bread and the wine were symbolic representations being done in remembrance of Him, there'd be no issue.

But no. Y'all's church is the one that says it turns into the body and blood of Jesus and that you have to eat it to have eternal life.

If you eat Him, then he passes through your stomach and out the rest of the way.

[metmom]

This is very interesting. While clearly the statement that he is “bread” is not to be taken literally, but figuratively, Jesus DOES NOT LEAVE IT AT THAT. He ADDS the categorical statement that “this bread IS MY FLESH.” And it’s the SAME FLESH that will be crucified for the life of the world.

And yet earlier in His discourse in chapter 6 of John, Jesus states *I am the bread of life*.

If you're going to take that passage literally, then you are forced into the position of concluding that Jesus is made of bread dough.

[Iscool]

The first evidence of intellectual honesty is the ability and willingness to state one’s opponent’s position. You have not evidenced the slightest ability or willingness to do so. You have used the crudest, most cartoonish language imaginable.

You'll have to blame that on Jesus...I pretty much said what he said...

Merely asserting that the isolated, mostly irrelevant snippets of Scripture and theologians you have cited make your case doesn’t make it so. You do not engage the meaning of the texts, but only ransack them.

Snippets of scripture??? And irrelevant??? There seems to be sooooo much scripture that is irrelevant to Catholics so that is no surprise you would say that...

One of the things I find interesting is that a Catholic is obliged to partake in the Eucharist only once per year, at Easter, and when death nears...So, do you get a year's worth of what ever you get after partaking in the Eucharist once per year??? Or do you run out of it??? And if it lasts for a year, why do a few Catholics partake in the Eucharist every day???

[LadyDoc]

God does not speak through Jesus. Jesus IS God.

or are you a new ager or Nestorian who thinks Jesus was a man with godness inside him?

The rest of the bible was inspied by God but often is about a spcific situation or contradicted by another verse elsewhere. Taking verses out of context opens you to ridicule by atheists, or to exasperation by those of us who actually read the whole thing.

[metmom]

John 5:19-24 So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise. For the Father loves the Son and shows him all that he himself is doing. And greater works than these will he show him, so that you may marvel. For as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom he will. The Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him. Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.