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Vatican Humanum Conference Erases LGBT People With Trite Gender Norms (Gay Lobby disappointed)
Schnizzle Newsblog ^ | November 19, 2014 | Zack Ford

Posted on 11/25/2014 8:26:36 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o

This week, the Vatican has hosted an international colloquium called Humanum dedicated to “the complementarity of man and woman” and the importance of marriage. Not just limited to Catholics, the conference has included people from many different faiths, including a litany of the United States’ anti-LGBT conservatives.

The messages of Humanum have sounded mostly like excerpts from Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus, asserting various archaic gender stereotypes as evidence that men and women are uniquely designed to be together — and that no other relationship should ever be considered a marriage. For example, Russell Moore, media-savvy head of the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission, told the conference that spouses are not interchangeable. “We are not created as ‘spouse A’ and ‘spouse B,’” he insisted, “but as man and as woman, and in marriage as husband and as wife, in parenting as mother and as father.Masculinity and femininity are not aspects of the fallen order to be overcome, but are instead part of what God declared from the beginning to be ‘very good.’”

Even in his remarks opening the conference, Pope Francis alluded to the “unique” way that men and women define marriage when he prayed that the colloquium “will be an inspiration to all who seek to support and strengthen the union of man and woman in marriage as a unique, natural, fundamental and beautiful good for persons, communities, and whole societies.”

Not only were these gender stereotypes used to oppose same-sex marriage, but they were also used to erase LGBT people entirely. This was particularly evident in a series of six video segments that were shown throughout the conference, featured spiritual leaders from across the globe. The third of these clips features Thérèse Hargot-Jacob, a French philospher, sexotherapist, and blogger, explaining that a person’s sexuality is determined entirely by whether they have a man’s body or a woman’s body. “How can you know what being a homosexual or heterosexual means?” she asks, concluding the terms are “meaningless” and merely “created for political battles.”

Her interview is followed by Phillipe Ariño, who explains that, as a person with homosexual desire, he has embraced non-sexual friendships to somehow learn how to love himself as a man. The National Organization for Marriage has previously highlighted Ariño as a “gay voice against gay marriage.” Watch the Humanum clip:

These videos, according to the Southern Baptist Convention’s chief opponent of transgender equality, were apparently produced by none other than infamous anti-gay researcher Mark Regnerus.

The colloquium has been fairly lacking in substance, which was particularly evident when Pastor Rick Warren spoke. He spent the first few minutes of his remarks “not kidding” about how all of the points he originally intended to make had already been made by other speakers. Warren still found plenty to say, including the idea that the sexual revolution, including same-sex marriage, is merely “in style” and all styles go out of style.”Every lie eventually crumbles under its own deception,” he said, “but the Word of God and the Church of God continues.”

It’s unclear if Humanum has any clear outcome, but if nothing else, it cements the idea that religious conservatives are going to continue to assert theology to dismiss the lived experiences of LGBT people. As was similarly laid out at the Southern Baptist Convention’s recent conference on the topic, the only “choice” for people with same-sex orientations is celibacy; “family” only means couples with a marriage between a man and a woman; and biology determines gender, so transgender people simply don’t exist. Though science is increasingly debunking essentialist gender stereotypes — “Men Are From Mars, So Are Women,” as Forbes wrote in 2012 — they will continue to be the foundation for religious opposition to LGBT equality.


TOPICS: Current Events; Ecumenism; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: homosexualagenda; rtansgender; selfbasting; transsexual; turkeys
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To: reg45

I like to remind the homos that since two of them can’t reproduce,nature must be selecting them out for some other flaw.Makes ‘em furious.


21 posted on 11/25/2014 9:52:36 AM PST by hoosierham (Freedom isn't free)
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To: hoosierham
In order to support same-sex marriage you have to deny Darwin. Or put another way:

God and Darwin agree! Same-sex marriage does not work.

22 posted on 11/25/2014 10:02:54 AM PST by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: IronJack

“firmly established in nature and Western culture for millennia.”

All cultures.No culture has ever embraced same sex marriage. Not even the morally bankrupt Greek Spartans believed hat they should marry the boys they diddled.


23 posted on 11/25/2014 10:14:40 AM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Go and sin no more!


24 posted on 11/25/2014 11:08:01 AM PST by Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines
I like that answer!

But I do think we need Natural Law as well as ScripturalLaw. That is no disrespect to Scripture: after all, the Book of Nature and the Book of Scripture have the same Author. And Natural Law can help one deal with situations which do not occur in the Bible, e.g. transsexual surgery.

One of the big problems is that the radical gender theorists simply deny that one's body is an essential component of one's "person." The describe a person who had their genitals cut off and their hormonal levels deliberately deranged as "being who they truly are." As if a human being is nothing but an "I feel" and an "I want" , and the body is a tedious fixture with no significance--- like a Mr. Potato Head which can be rearranged at will.

25 posted on 11/25/2014 11:57:45 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (When I grow up, I'm gonna settle down, chew honeycomb & drive a tractor, grow things in the ground.)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

There’s actually nothing wrong with modern confirmation either, the more we have both ancient and modern. For instance, by virtue of entropy, organic chemistry, and the general relativity, all not around at the time of the Bible, points to the fact that it is far fetched that life just came into being.


26 posted on 11/25/2014 6:12:56 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

There’s actually nothing wrong with modern confirmation either, the more we have both ancient and modern. For instance, by virtue of entropy, organic chemistry, and the general relativity, all not around at the time of the Bible, points to the fact that it is far fetched that life just came into being.


27 posted on 11/25/2014 6:13:00 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

There’s actually nothing wrong with modern confirmation either, the more we have both ancient and modern. For instance, by virtue of entropy, organic chemistry, and the general relativity, all not around at the time of the Bible, points to the fact that it is far fetched that life just came into being.


28 posted on 11/25/2014 6:13:13 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

There’s actually nothing wrong with modern confirmation either, the more we have both ancient and modern. For instance, by virtue of entropy, organic chemistry, and the general relativity, all not around at the time of the Bible, points to the fact that it is far fetched that life just came into being.


29 posted on 11/25/2014 6:13:21 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: Jim from C-Town

The Spartans didn’t have a lot of the special reproductive surrogate parenting tech that we have now. They were also disciplined. They would not put up with people whining and demanding to be special exceptions. Same training standards all around. Highly competitive, brutal, physical training.


30 posted on 11/25/2014 6:17:31 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Never mutilate genitals. (Cannot be a priest if you do).

No improper copulation (death, if caught by enough witnesses)


31 posted on 11/25/2014 6:19:48 PM PST by Morpheus2009
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To: Morpheus2009
Those are good answers, I'll have to ponder them.

But I wonderif they are quite clear and universal. Say I don't care to be a priest. Or say I am a women-to-man transgender. Anything there about mutilating the vulva?

Who's to say it's improper intercourse if a trans woman marries a man? Or marries a trans man!?

Mind you I am vehemently opposed to these things. But I am not convinced that Biblical ipsissima verba alone is disposative on this.

32 posted on 11/25/2014 6:52:38 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Jesus, my Lord, my God, my All.)
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To: circlecity

Well, the Left and reality have never meshed very well.


33 posted on 11/25/2014 7:52:23 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: Arkansas Toothpick

>>the Deceiver has blinded their eyes and hearts.

“..because of this, God gave them over..”
—Romans 1:25

What does this mean?


34 posted on 11/25/2014 8:23:58 PM PST by HLPhat (This space is intentionaly blank.)
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