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To: Gideon7
No idea.

All I know is that Scripture says that we need to be careful that we don’t dive too deep into futile speculations and create quarrels between believers...


Okay.

Sure didn't mean to stir up a quarrel with a brother, pick a fight, pit mother against daughter or father against son...or anything like that.

Since you answered my silly question this way, it's plain that I was mistaken thinking you might be a FReeper for me to ask; maybe no one is. Thank you for replying.
72 posted on 11/25/2014 12:46:14 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: Resettozero

LOL, not at all.

My degree is CS with an emphasis numerical analysis and modeling, and I have a fairly deep physics background. I’ve rubbed elbows with a lot of and astronomers and cosmologists, and almost every one of them was at least a deist. (Stephen Hawking is the rare exception).

During my devotional time I sometimes like to close my eyes and give glory to Him as I marvel at His creation, at how sublime and elegant it all is. The Lagrangian of the Standard Model is so beautiful, how the motions of everything in all of physical creation from the largest galactic superclusters down to the smallest elementary particle are all controlled by just 4 simple forces based on 5 basic supersymmetries that can be expressed as a single set of coupled PD equations that can all fit on just a single sheet of paper. That is so amazing. Gloria in excelsis Deo!

What is particularly cool is that God created a creation that we can actually *see*. That is so wildly improbable in a randomly created universe. It is a big knock against the atheists. The Hubble UDF is a dead giveaway that the universe was definitely designed and not random. (In a random universe the UDF photo would be all black or a gray fog. The matter density gradient has to be absolutely perfect to see large structures like galaxies at cosmological distances. That is more improbable than hitting the Powerball Jackpot lottery several times in a row.)

God designed the universe very carefully because I think that He wants us to marvel at the sheer majesty of His creation and see what He hath wrought. He *wants* us to see it. And in doing so we cannot help but be forever humbled by it. Hence God’s admonishment to Job in Job 38.

So I don’t think our own private speculations of this type are wrong at all. After all Paul exhorts us to think of heavenly things. We just need to be cautious in that we should not depend on our own understanding where Scripture is concerned.

So in answer to your question about the creation of time, if I put physics hat on I’d say that space and time are deeply coupled due to Lagrangian supersymmetry, and that the first ‘moment’ (in the quantum mechanical sense) started at the speed of light divided by the Planck length. But as far as how He actually created them, or in what order, I have no idea beyond what Scripture says.

So anyway, I definitely don’t want to pick any fights with you or any other believer. As long as we are careful about pushing our own personal musings past where Scripture allows us to go, I think that such speculations are fine. The white-theory us an interesting little mathematical exercise. (Then there is the holographic principle, with is *really* bizarre and yet also works mathematically.) I have no idea which of these theories is true or not, and the Bible says we should not quarrel about such things. So let us be one in Christ Jesus as we revel in the coolness of God’s Plan and the amazing lengths He went to make it happen in order to reconcile us with Him. Hosannah!


88 posted on 11/25/2014 2:40:39 PM PST by Gideon7
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