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To: CynicalBear
Matthew 28:19-20
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

The idea that "you have no need for anyone to teach you" expressed by St. John does not mean that, across the board, nobody needs to teach or be taught. Nor does it mean that everyone is a teacher: that is a particular gift which not everybody has. The office of teaching is clearly very important in the NT Church. And this means more than reciting an appropriate chapter and verse: it means also applying the faith and doctrine of the Apostles to new questions, new controversies, new challenged, in contact with new cultures, which required deeper, wider, or more detailed explanations, and which are arrived at by the Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

All this is par of what we mean when we speak of the "development of doctrine."

The ongoing influence of the Holy Spirit in bringing out new aspects of the truth is clear from the record of the early Church:

Luke 12:12
"...for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.”

John 14:26
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

John 15:20
If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also.

Acts 2:42
They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer.

Acts 13:1
Now in the church at Antioch there were prophets and teachers: Barnabas, Simeon called Niger, Lucius of Cyrene, Manaen (who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch) and Saul

Romans 12:6-8
We have different gifts, according to the grace given to each of us. If your gift is prophesying, then prophesy in accordance with the faith; if it is serving, then serve; if it is teaching, then teach; if it is to encourage, then give encouragement; if it is giving, then give generously; if it is to lead, do it diligently; if it is to show mercy, do it cheerfully.

1 Corinthians 12:28-29
And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.

Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?

Ephesians 4:11
So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers.

The had the authorization both to rule and to instruct: command and teach:

1 Timothy 4:11
Command and teach these things

Teachers were needed:

Acts 8:29-31
The Spirit told Philip, “Go to that chariot and stay near it.”
Then Philip ran up to the chariot and heard the man reading Isaiah the prophet. “Do you understand what you are reading?” Philip asked.
“How can I,” he said, “unless someone explains it to me?” So he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

Not only Isaiah and the Prophets, but even Apostles like Paul were hard to understand, and needed to be explained correctly:

2 Peter 3:16
[Paul] writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

So one can't conclude that nobody needs to teach, that nobody needs to learn from another human being, or that ll are teachers. Neither can one conclude that there will be no development of doctrine, since hte Holy Spirit will (future) "Teach you all things" --- and this means all things, not just what was written down before 100 AD. John said, you remember that if everything Jesus said and did were recorded, the earth itself would not be big enough to hold all the books.

That is NOT to say that there will be new Scriptures or new public revelation. That ceased with the death of the last Apostle. The Canon o Scripture is closed. But the Holy Spirit is teaching His Church the ever wider, deeper ramifications of the Truth that has been handed down to us from the Apostles.

41 posted on 11/21/2014 5:35:25 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("If they refuse to listen even to the Church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.")
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Acts 15:8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; 9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

1 Corinthians 2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

All the "teaching" you speak of is contained in the writings of scripture. The man in the chariot had not yet received the Holy Spirit so could not have been taught by Him.

>>Neither can one conclude that there will be no development of doctrine<<

Nonsense, the Catholic Church making up things not found in scripture is contradictory to scripture. Paul said that if anyone taught anything they didn't teach that teacher was to be considered accursed.

Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Catholics are no different in that regard than Muslims or Mormons. Adding to what scripture teaches is proclaiming another gospel and the teachers of any of those three are to be considered accursed.

>>But the Holy Spirit is teaching His Church the ever wider, deeper ramifications of the Truth that has been handed down to us from the Apostles.<<

A myth perpetuated by the Catholic Church and every other false religion.

42 posted on 11/21/2014 6:31:05 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; boatbums
Matthew 28:19-20
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

The idea that "you have no need for anyone to teach you" expressed by St. John does not mean that, across the board, nobody needs to teach or be taught. Nor does it mean that everyone is a teacher: that is a particular gift which not everybody has. The office of teaching is clearly very important in the NT Church. And this means more than reciting an appropriate chapter and verse: it means also applying the faith and doctrine of the Apostles to new questions, new controversies, new challenged, in contact with new cultures, which required deeper, wider, or more detailed explanations, and which are arrived at by the Church under the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

That can not be your Church that is referenced since your Church has created it's own doctrine that negates much doctrine (and ultimately the word of God) already written into the scriptures...

44 posted on 11/21/2014 6:40:00 PM PST by Iscool
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