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To: BlatherNaut
Not so. The Church venerates people, places and things of all sorts which are connected with or dedicated in some special way to God. The Church shows outward signs of veneration by bowing, kissing, genuflecting, giving special clothing or adornment, giving special titles, incensing, etc.

You know very well that you have been incensed at church: you have been venerated. The altar itself is venerated. The Shroud of Turn is venerated, even though it has never been declared de fide to have been the authentic burial shroud of Our Lord.

When you die the priest will drape your coffin with a cloth representing your Baptismal garment and light the Paschal Candle to signify that in Baptism you were enlightened with the Light of Christ and we pray you have been mercifully gathered to Himself. Thus will even your corpse be venerated. And mine too, though I am a sinner.

So yes, we Catholics venerate the Pope. This is not latria and not hyperdulia, but such dulia as we give to any consecrated person, place, or object.

Venerate: not adore. There's an INFINITE distinction of kind (not just of degree) between veneration and adoration; and within veneration, there a very wide spectrum of degrees.

70 posted on 11/21/2014 1:51:30 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("To convert somebody go and take them by the hand and guide them." - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
So yes, we Catholics venerate the Pope. This is not latria and not hyperdulia, but such dulia as we give to any consecrated person, place, or object.

No we don't. You appear to be confusing "veneration" with "reverence".

Veneration: The admiration of, and prayer to the Saints, which is given to them by men because of their great sanctity, their supernatural excellence as the friends and familiars of God (Cf. Dulia) - "The Concise Catholic Dictionary", Imprimatur Moses E. Kiley, Archbishop of Milwaukee, Oct. 16, 1943.

Reverence: The virtue that inclines a person to show honor and respect for persons who possess some dignity. There are four forms of reverence, corresponding to four forms of dignity: 1. familial reverence toward one's parents or those who take the place of parents; 2. civil reverence toward persons holding civil authority; 3. ecclesiastical reverence toward the Pope, bishops, priests, and others in the service of the Church; 4. religious reverence toward any person, place, or object related to God.

Fr. John Hardon's Modern Catholic Dictionary

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(Greek doulia; Latin servitus), a theological term signifying the honour paid to the saints, while latria means worship given to God alone, and hyperdulia the veneration offered to the Blessed Virgin Mary. St. Augustine (City of God X.2) distinguishes two kinds of servitus: "one which is due to men . . . which in Greek is called dulia; the other, latria, which is the service pertaining to the worship of God". St. Thomas (II-II:103:3) bases the distinction on the difference between God's supreme dominion and that which one man may exercise over another. Catholic theologians insist that the difference is one of kind and not merely of degree; dulia and latria being as far apart as are the creature and the Creator. Leibniz, though a Protestant, recognizes the "discrimen infinitum atque immensum between the honour which is due to God and that which is shown to the saints, the one being called by theologians, after Augustine's example, latria, the other dulia"; and he further declares that this difference should "not only be inculcated in the minds of hearers and learners, but should also be manifested as far as possible by outward signs" (Syst. theol., p. 184). A further distinction is made between dulia in the absolute sense, the honour paid to persons, and dulia in the relative sense, the honour paid to inanimate objects, such as images and relics. With regard to the saints, dulia includes veneration and invocation; the former being the honour paid directly to them, the latter having primarily in view the petitioner's advantage. More detailed explanation of dulia and the reasons for which it is shown to persons or things will be found in the articles IMAGES, RELICS, SAINTS. See also ADORATION and WORSHIP.

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05188b.htm

71 posted on 11/21/2014 2:30:47 PM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Living persons, places and objects are not given dulia.

From the Catholic Encyclopedia:

“Dulia: (Greek doulia; Latin servitus), a theological term signifying the honour paid to the saints, while latria means worship given to God alone, and hyperdulia the veneration offered to the Blessed Virgin Mary.”


74 posted on 11/21/2014 4:28:51 PM PST by ebb tide
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