Genesis 16:3 So after Abram had been living in Canaan ten years, Sarai his wife took her Egyptian slave Hagar and gave her to her husband to be his wife. 4 He slept with Hagar, and she conceived.
Moses uses the word wife and wrote it as scripture that Hagar was a wife. Moses is saying what Sarai did. Moses is calling Hagar a wife as he is no quoting Sarai. Obviously Hagar did not remain as a wife.
Sarai is not Abraham’s master. Sarai did not make Abraham take Sarai as a slave or sex partner. Abraham agreed to the idea. He did not have to submit to her will. He accepted Hagar as a wife and slept with her.
You can argue against Moses using the word wife all you want. Take it up with him. But according to this verse, Abraham had two wives at the same time. Having more than one wife at the same time is known as polygamy.
I have said very little about David. Only that he was a polygamist. You are making stuff up that i didnt say or insinuate. It is so obvious that he was a polygamist before ever meeting Bathsheba. You listed his wives and then say Bathsheba is the first polyandist in the Bible? Are you mental? Do you even bother to read the bible?
It is a fact that Abraham had two wives at the same time.
It is a fact that Moses had two wives. There is no evidence that it was not at the same time but there is evidence that it was at the same time.
It is a fact that Jacob was married to more than two women at the same time and the first two were sisters.
It is a fact that David was married to more than one wife at the same time.
It is a fact that Solomon was married to multiple women at the same time.
It is a fact that Abraham, Jacob and Moses were God’s chosen prophets.
It is a fact that God chose David and Solomon to be kings of Israel.
If you disagree that these men were polygamists then what’s the point of discussing if God was ok with it or not if you don’t even believe that these men were polygamists meaning they had more than one wife at the same time.
My beliefs and my religion(mormon) have no bearing on the above facts I have listed. Neither do yours. I believe the Bible is the word of God. I assumed that you believe the Bible is the word of God.
Please do not assume to know my beliefs based on my being a Mormon. If you respectfully ask me my beliefs I might tell you what I believe. But, lets stick to the subject at hand which is whether or not Polygamy was practiced in the Bible because if we can’t agree on that , then there is no point in discussing anything else with you related to the topic of polygamy.
I apologize Colofornian for asking if you were mental. I was the one who was mental. I thought polyandry meant many spouses instead or more than one husband. My mistake.
Apparently you didn't understand my comment...'twas in response to you saying that even if it was a one-night stand 'tween Abram & Hagar, they were STILL husband-and-wife. And I then pointed out David's initial "one-night stand" with Bathsheba...and that if a one-night stand constituted "marriage," then Bathsheba would have to had been a polyandrist..."married" to Uriah & then "married" once upon sleeping with David.
I am the one claiming that just as Bathsheba was NOT married to David upon sleeping with him when Uriah was still alive, neither was Hagar a "wife" to Abram except INITIALLY -- and ONLY initially when you read Gen. 21 -- in Sarai's eyes ALONE. Sarah is the ONLY one who ever once regarded Hagar as a "wife" -- your citation in early Gen. 16.
By Gen. 21, she changed her mind about that.
And, working backwards, the Apostle Paul regarded Hagar as a slave & not Abraham's wife (Gal. 4:22-24)
Moses ... same thing (see Gen. 21)
God Himself...same thing (Gen. 21:11-12)
Angel of the Lord Himself...whom many regard as pre-incarnated Son of God...same thing (Gen. 21:8-9)
Abraham (Gen. 16:6)
Even Hagar in Gen. 16:7 doesn't say she is running away from her "husband" Abraham...instead she says she is running away from the one who owns her...her "mistress" (female word for "master")
So Hagar knew (Gen. 16:7);
Abraham knew it (Gen. 16:6);
Angel of the Lord knew it (Gen. 16:8-9);
God Himself knew it (Gen. 21:12);
Moses knew it (Gen. 21);
Paul knew it (Gal. 4:22-24);
and even Sarah knew it ... albeit too late to change what she did (Gen. 21:9-10)
(But I guess you remain in the dark, eh?)
It is a fact that Solomon was married to multiple women at the same time.
So what?
Are you advocating that since you apparently think God instructed Solomon to take up 300 concubines & 700 wives, that others should? Or do you think that since you believe God somehow sanctioned concubinage, that 'tis OK for anybody here to do so, too? And hey...why not 300 of them? Nothing wrong with that, you imply?
It is a fact that David was married to more than one wife at the same time.
Again, so what? It's also a fact David committed adultery with Bathsheba...and since God placed David as king, are you attempting to convey that God somehow sanctions adultery as well?
It's also a fact that Hosea married Gomer the Prostitute.
It's also a fact that Gomer CONTINUED to prostitute herself post-marriage.
And even beyond this -- unlike your polygamy & concubine scenarios -- in which we find no verses where God tells them to do that...we CAN see where God indeed told Hosea to marry a prostitute.
Therefore, are you suggesting that God somehow sanctions prostitution within the marriage bed?
I mean, exactly what is your goal in promoting polygamy as "Biblical."
Tamar was raped. That, too, is "Biblical" by YOUR standards. Just because all kinds of sexual sin is in the Bible, doesn't make it sanctioned by God. (Has that ever dawned on you?)