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Watch out Pope Francis: the Catholic civil war has begun
The Spectator ^ | 11/08/2014 | Damian Thompson

Posted on 11/08/2014 4:34:43 AM PST by kinsman redeemer

‘At this very critical moment, there is a strong sense that the church is like a ship without a rudder,’ said a prominent Catholic conservative last week. No big deal, you might think. Opponents of Pope Francis have been casting doubt on his leadership abilities for months — and especially since October’s Vatican Synod on the Family, at which liberal cardinals pre-emptively announced a softening of the church’s line on homosexuality and second marriages, only to have their proposals torn up by their colleagues.

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TOPICS: Catholic
KEYWORDS: bishop; catholic; pope; popefrancis; romancatholicism; sectarianturmoil; tradition
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To: cloudmountain

Dope?

Did you ever hear of a *Courtesy ping*?

Three years on FR ought to be enough to know what those are.


61 posted on 11/08/2014 9:02:46 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom

Wait. Does that mean everything he says is inspired by the Holy Spirit? LOL


62 posted on 11/08/2014 9:03:33 AM PST by Mercat ("The sisters did not want to save the world. Someone already had.")
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To: Mercat; Arthur McGowan

Does that warrant telling a priest to *stuff it*?


63 posted on 11/08/2014 9:07:19 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
Dope? Did you ever hear of a *Courtesy ping*? Three years on FR ought to be enough to know what those are.

God bless you and yours.

64 posted on 11/08/2014 9:07:48 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: cloudmountain

You LOL’d and Amen’d a post where someone told a priest to *Stuff it*.


65 posted on 11/08/2014 9:08:07 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom
Does that warrant telling a priest to *stuff it*?

Since I DIDN'T do that, you are spinning your proverbial wheels. I guess you can't...oh never mind.

God bless you and yours.

66 posted on 11/08/2014 9:09:38 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: metmom

Is he the one to tell me that I’m superstitious? I didn’t start this fire.


67 posted on 11/08/2014 9:10:14 AM PST by Mercat ("The sisters did not want to save the world. Someone already had.")
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To: metmom
You LOL’d and Amen’d a post where someone told a priest to *Stuff it*.

If I did that it was an error. But YOU continue to flog that dead horse. But, that is who YOU are, so GOD BLESS YOU anyway.

God bless you and yours.

68 posted on 11/08/2014 9:11:21 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Mercat
Is he the one to tell me that I’m superstitious? I didn’t start this fire.

She's on a roll today, worse than usual. I guess her biscuits didn't rise for breakfast. Mea culpa.

Oops, I almost wrote "mea cupcake." I must be hungry.

69 posted on 11/08/2014 9:13:19 AM PST by cloudmountain
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To: Arthur McGowan
"This is a pious superstition. The Pope is chosen by the College of Cardinals".

Since the "liberal" Cardinals all sound exactly like Protestants that's proof they're led by the Holy Spirit to exactly the same degree the anti-Catholic Protestant crowd is.

Therefore, the Holy Spirit has a hand in selecting the Pope.

70 posted on 11/08/2014 9:24:54 AM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: BlatherNaut

“Better that only a few Catholics should be left, staunch and sincere in their religion, than that they should, remaining many, desire as it were to be in collusion with the Church’s enemies and in conformity with the open foes of our faith.” - St. Peter Canisius

St. Peter Cansius also said, “May we be sober, simple, prudent, peaceable, and studious of solid virtue: may our lives conform to the Name we bear and our deeds reflect to the vows we profess.”

We need to reflect on our growth in such virtue and then ask ourselves,”Do we desire the Church as WE see it...or as God sees it?” A wise man once warned that, “What you desire most is most effective against you. Desire Christ and all else will be given.”

That is important because the real danger for us is that some might the depart from the safety of the Church and go apostate if their personal vision of the Church doesn’t match with what some humans in the Church are doing/saying. The danger is to attack and/or leave the Church, which is exactly what satan desires. What to do? TRUST in God, pray... and do our part to build up the good. May the Lord NEVER find us guilty of contributing to the divisiveness.


71 posted on 11/08/2014 9:25:57 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: metmom
I might have to take you off my LIST. Cloudmountain said.

Is that good thing or bad thing to be on his/her list?

72 posted on 11/08/2014 9:33:47 AM PST by BipolarBob
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To: metmom
A woman whose husband left her for another woman has no recourse. It was not her choice and she should not be punished for it.

I share your opinion. I do understand the Church's position on this matter, though: An annulment means that the marriage never existed. After one spouse was faithful and devoted in a marriage that lasted many years, an annulment essentially declares that person as never married. The problem is, without an annulment, the faithful and devoted spouse ends up trapped forever if the other spouse leaves.

This issue was brought up at a church meeting I attended. The rule doesn't affect me at all, but I ended up arguing in support of these other women.

The rule doesn't affect me because I didn't follow the rules to begin with. I was a lapsed Catholic who married a protestant in his church. We never had the marriage blessed by the Catholic Church, so it was never recognized by the Catholic Church.

The rule affects only the people who followed the rules to begin with. So, I'm glad that Pope Francis at least addressed the issue of annulments.

73 posted on 11/08/2014 9:36:25 AM PST by Tired of Taxes
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To: GBA
Some priests who are communists will create such confusion that people will not know right from wrong

^^This^^ is a huge clue regarding American politics as well. World politics, including the UN, too.

Who are the "priests" of the world? I'd put politicians near the top of that short list.

Few things are as effective as hiding in plain sight while poisoning the well a drop at a time.

Satan knows every trick to trip us up, just as surely as he knows how the story ends, and he's using them all to run up a big score of victories before the end of his inning.

Don't be put or put yourself on that scoreboard.

74 posted on 11/08/2014 9:38:28 AM PST by GBA (Hick with a keyboard.)
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To: BipolarBob

You just never can be sure.


76 posted on 11/08/2014 9:43:11 AM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: BlatherNaut

I don’t think that I said anything about promoting unity as a higher good than truth. Both are important...but the most important of all is LOVE, which is not to be found in divisiveness.

“If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. And if I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body to be burned, but do not have love, it profits me nothing.…” 1 Corinthians 13: 1-3


77 posted on 11/08/2014 9:45:13 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: cloudmountain
We must above all show charity to our enemies. By this you may know that a man is a true Christian, if he seeks to do good to those who wish him evil.

-- Saint Alphonsus Liguori

A BTTT for you!

78 posted on 11/08/2014 9:49:18 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SumProVita
”Do we desire the Church as WE see it...or as God sees it?”

As God sees it, of course.

"The teaching of the Faith which God has revealed has not been proposed as a philosophical discovery to be perfected by human ingenuity, but as a divine Deposit handed over to the Spouse of Christ to be guarded faithfully and to be explained infallibly. Hence that meaning of the sacred dogmas must perpetually be retained which Holy Mother Church once has declared; nor is that meaning ever to be abandoned under the pretext and name of a more profound comprehension." Pope Pius IX

That is important because the real danger for us is that some might the depart from the safety of the Church and go apostate if their personal vision of the Church doesn’t match with what some humans in the Church are doing/saying.

The responsibility for such departures lies with those in positions of power who confuse and scandalize the faithful. The ill effects of such scandal are compounded by others who quietly go along with the corruption rather than denounce it, perhaps falsely equating silence in the face of evil with holiness.

May the Lord NEVER find us guilty of contributing to the divisiveness.

May the Lord NEVER find us guilty of betraying Him by our silence in the face of attacks on His Church from within or without.

79 posted on 11/08/2014 9:58:34 AM PST by BlatherNaut
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To: BlatherNaut

May the Lord NEVER find us guilty of betraying Him by our silence in the face of attacks on His Church from within or without.

__________________________

May God grant us the grace and humility to know the difference. I believe that He calls us to silence far more than to speaking out. HE was our primary model for that as well. ;-)


80 posted on 11/08/2014 10:07:59 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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