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To: Normandy; Elsie; All
A strange way to try and ‘expose’ Mormonism, when what is mentioned here is found in the Bible...As far as people coming back from the dead... “The graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.” (Matthew 27:52-53) I wouldn’t consider that occult — it’s part of the miraculous power of the resurrection.

We do lack some specifics...yet the assumption I think all Bible interpreters have is that those resurrected that you cite were ones who followed the footsteps of Lazarus, who Jesus raised in John 11. Lazarus didn't walk out of the grave only to shun his family and bounce to and fro Kolob. Right?

He was resurrected unto an earthly life to finish the earthly life God gave.

Since you, Normandy, are the one now introducing Matt 27 as a "parallel," you would have a hard time attempting to Biblically conclude that those resurrected in Matt. 27 elected only to EACH appear to ONLY one man and then charter a flight on AirKolob, ne'er to be seen again! And actually, Matt 27 contradicts the appearing to a parallel "one man scenario" that we see in Moroni. Right?

We ARE indeed given a few key details by Matthew: Matthew CLEARLY elaborates that those resurrected "went into the holy city" and "appeared to MANY".

Bottom line here...what you seemingly fail to grasp is that when & where God miraculously resurrects someone, they
(1) reabsorb back into the same community;
(2) since Lazarus has not been seen walking around here of late, they physically die again yet spiritually NEVER die (John 11);
and (3) they appear to MANY simultaneously and thoroughly and are not fleetingly hidden...tucked away.

The very word "occult" simply means "hidden" (Latin). IoW, "occult" is referenced as hidden initiatives not spelled out to the proselyted recruit.

Mormon Factoid: Moroni has ALWAYS been a "shadow" personage. A hidden tuckedaway "personage."

This is all in stark contrast to...
...the Lazarus who was out in the open...
...versus the people in Matthew 27 who came out into the open in the holy city, appearing to many...
...versus Jesus who came out into the open...appearing even to five hundred+ at a single time!!!! see 1 Corinthians fifteen, v. six below...

Moroni is this fleeting tuckedaway hidden "personage" who appears now & again to ONE man...wasn't reabsorbed back into earth...and didn't appear to MANY. Ghostly activity is fleeting. Most Often appearing to one person at a time.

As far as people coming back from the dead, we know that Jesus did — and also after his resurrection:

The "many" re: simultaneous appearing applies here as well. When Jesus was resurrected, He appeared to a GROUP of disciples (John 20:19to 22) & then again to His disciples (John 20:24ff) and then 1 Cor. fifteen , verse six tells us ...
After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep.

Jesus also ate fish with His disciples ... John 21... I think it's fairly safe to rule Him out as a mere "spirit" or phantom of the night, don't you? (Unless you want to move over to the Jehovah's Witnesses, who claim Jesus was only resurrected spiritually and not bodily)

So there ya go...let me know when Moroni pops up to five hundred people at one time...versus backroom sheltered shenanigans.

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Oh...and btw...If the Book of Mormon & D&C 7 is right...and if the apostle John and the Nephite disciples are all still walking the earth and never died...please tell us why Moroni had to either pop up or at least pop up alone to JoeySmith anyway?

Didn't the Mormon gods ALREADY have their authoritative "general authorities" STILL ON earth???

Did this group somehow apostatize too?

How could an apostasy be "complete" or "universal" as your prophets and gen authorities have consistently claimed with a high and mighty verbal edict...if these men NEVER died?

Did the Mormon gods remove their authority?

Did the Mormon Jesus "fail" in His mission to train, equip, raise up, set apart these men for lifetime leadership?

So your Moroni batted 1.000 in establishing a leader, yet the Mormon Jesus batted .000 as ALL of His Jewish and Central/South American apostles all eventually went to the wayside?

Do you realize how dishonoring it is when you and Mormons promote a Smith who proclaimed the following?

Come on! ye prosecutors! ye false swearers! All hell, boil over! Ye burning mountains, roll down your lava! for I will come out on the top at last. I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days
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of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him; but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.

{Obviously your Mormon leadership thought it was "edifying" to include this Smith quote in your church's history as I have this quote on my bookshelf as part of the 7volume Mormon "History of the Church" that BH Roberts and other Lds leaders put together}

Normandy I gotta say it...thinking of this Smith utterance: How appauling! You Mormons need to repent for elevating this man above Jesus!!! Repent publicly! Openly!

41 posted on 10/29/2014 7:03:51 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Elevating Joseph Smith above Jesus? You must be getting an incorrect message somehow. We have one Savior, and that is Christ.


48 posted on 10/29/2014 8:53:58 AM PDT by Normandy
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