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'What is being proposed is not marriage' – Pope calls for defense of family
Catholic News Agency ^ | 10/26/2014 | Elise Harris

Posted on 10/27/2014 6:12:31 AM PDT by EBH

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Pope Francis explained that contemporary society has “devalued” the sacrament by turning it into a social rite, removing the most essential element, which is union with God.

"Social Rite," what an interesting way to term it.

1 posted on 10/27/2014 6:12:31 AM PDT by EBH
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To: EBH

God Bless the Pope!

Finally! His words are clear!


2 posted on 10/27/2014 6:17:59 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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To: EBH

Breaking news: the Pope is still Catholic.


3 posted on 10/27/2014 6:19:54 AM PDT by Blue Turtle
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To: EBH

Marriage is a covenant defined by God, not a contract defined by man and thus able to be regulated by man’s governments.

In Matthew chapter 19, Jesus stated it was God’s intention that only one man and one woman can be married. God defines other sexual relations including homosexual ones as immoral. People who practice them will not be granted eternal life. (Rev 22:15).

However, we have a secular government and a First Amendment. But this cuts both ways, a fact most forget.

Because too many government officials are now hostile to how God defines marriage, government is being used to force me to recognize and even enable “marriage” that God tells me is morally repulsive. Just as we have a separation of church and state, we must now have a separation of marriage and state. When marriage is a private matter, then anyone can enter into any manner of relationship they please, but they cannot use government to impose their definition on others.


4 posted on 10/27/2014 6:21:46 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Hostage

“God Bless the Pope! Finally! His words are clear!”

How can you be sure he was not mistranslated??


5 posted on 10/27/2014 6:24:27 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: EBH

In all our focus on homosexuality and homosexual marriage, let us not lose site of the bigger picture and other (lost) battles in the areas of:
— teen sex
— pre-marital sex
— no-fault divorce
— cohabitation
— acceptance of adultery
— pornography
— equivalence of males and females
— our acceptance of entertainment’s acceptance and normalization of all the above


6 posted on 10/27/2014 6:36:00 AM PDT by mbarker12474
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The Pope is 100% correct.

BUT, to be consistent he would need to condeem all supposed “marriages” that are not performed by a religious leader as simply “social rites”.

These people who run off and get “married” by a judge are not really married either!

7 posted on 10/27/2014 6:40:51 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Hostage
God Bless the Pope!

Finally! His words are clear!

^^^This!^^^

8 posted on 10/27/2014 6:41:57 AM PDT by GBA (Can we play follow the Leader now instead of follow the lemming?)
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It could be a mistranslation but I don’t think it is inaccurate. I trust this source over secular sources.

It has been obvious to me that other secular news sources have seemingly and deceitfully altered Francis’ words and their meaning. This has caused a great amount of dismay.

The Catholic News Agency source has been consistent and free from propaganda from everything I have seen. It was founded after JP II. The author seems credible.

The article is paraphrases Francis’ comments before members of the International Marian Movement.

More importantly many other credible sources agree with the character of this article. Here is one:

http://thechurchinmalta.org/en/posts/45688/il-papa-frangisku-lill-moviment-schoenstatt-iz-zwieg-qatt-ma-gie-attakkat-daqs-illum


9 posted on 10/27/2014 6:51:54 AM PDT by Hostage (ARTICLE V)
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Francis needs to come to firm decisions and stick to them. This isn’t funny anymore. Either uphold Church values and morals, or announce you’re not in communion with the
Church and resign.


10 posted on 10/27/2014 6:53:49 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Blue Turtle

This week.


11 posted on 10/27/2014 6:55:44 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (I'M WITH CRUZ!)
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To: Hostage

“It has been obvious to me that other secular news sources have seemingly and deceitfully altered Francis’ words and their meaning. This has caused a great amount of dismay.”

Maybe, but he seems unable to communicate clearly. The Vatican seems unable to put out a clear statement from their office on Translation.

[I’ve read on FR that the Vatican employs formerly homeless people in the translation office, who are using Google Translate to put out these statements.]


12 posted on 10/27/2014 7:00:16 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

From a Catholic perspective it is the couple who are the actual ministers of the sacrament. The priest is there present only to witness the marriage and to give the Church’s blessing. The need of the priest is not of the essence of the sacrament and was only required after the Council of Trent in order to assure that marriages were publicly known and entered into freely. The need for the priest to witness a Catholic wedding is a question of positive law and not doctrine. It is also only applicable to Catholics. The essence of marriage is the free exchange of vows by the couple.


13 posted on 10/27/2014 7:13:09 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Blue Turtle

He always was. This Pope has enemies. Not that they matter, if God wants to change Popes, he will in a heart beat.


14 posted on 10/27/2014 7:18:00 AM PDT by reefdiver (The fool says there is no God. And the bigger fools sees direct evidence and rages against it.)
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When the RCC excommunicates Catholic politicians and pundits that support homosexual ‘marriage’ and abortion, I’ll believe the RCC is serious.

Until then, talk is cheap.


15 posted on 10/27/2014 7:37:24 AM PDT by polymuser ( Enough is enough.)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

These people who run off and get “married” by a judge are not really married either!

...such a ‘marriage’ would already be recognized by the Church as not valid...and stable grounds for annulment...


16 posted on 10/27/2014 7:47:45 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: mbarker12474

Agreed. It’s been a long slippery slope and we’re all guilty. It happened over generations, one generation not appreciating the “backwardness” of the prior generation.

The only good news is that I see many parents that grew up in the 80’s and 90’s that have standards for their children that are higher than those imposed upon them when they were children. Of course this isn’t the case for many but there are those that are learning from these cultural shifts and they’re the types of people that want many children.

It’s the problem liberals will always have eventually, they don’t have enough children. They can only become a collective voice that is disproportionately loud to society. They might never stop but it is ultimately a losing battle, they have few children of their own to indoctrinate - so they try to confuse ours.

How is the entertainment industry not committing child abuse? At the very least they’re exploiting our children, influencing them in ways the parents find repugnant. In this connected world the biggest challenge for any parent is to shield them from all the distractions in life.


17 posted on 10/27/2014 8:03:04 AM PDT by fuzzylogic (welfare state = sharing consequences of poor moral choices among everybody)
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To: Petrosius
you make good points.

Marriage is a sacred covenant between the couple and God.

If the ceremony didn't involve God it not a wedding in my opinion.

The homo's can call what they are doing whatever they want, but it's NOT a wedding!

18 posted on 10/27/2014 8:03:54 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: Blue Turtle

Most gay-hated man since Eddie Murphy.


19 posted on 10/27/2014 8:06:06 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: polymuser

I would be even “kinder”

Send a Bishop declaring them in MORTAL sin -and
will be losing their soul forever if they do not repent
and try to cure the EVIL they have inflicted on their
fellow man- if no change forthcoming... excommunicate


20 posted on 10/27/2014 8:51:51 AM PDT by mj1234
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