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To: St_Thomas_Aquinas
""Listen to the church... If he won't listen to the church, treat him as a pagan or tax collector." --Jesus"

Are you really THE St Thomas Aquinas? I thought you were dead and rotting.

Anyway, there was no "church" prior to the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, my dead FRiend. That word is "assembly" and it would have to have been a Jewish gathering at the synagogue. Do the math...and revisit a basic hermeneutics class. From what I have read of you, you need a serious dose of hermeneutics.

113 posted on 10/23/2014 3:07:15 PM PDT by Dutchboy88
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To: Dutchboy88
Anyway, there was no "church" prior to the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, my dead FRiend.

“Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will bed bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will bee loosed in heaven.” --Jesus

"If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector." --Jesus

Jesus was alive when he spoke these words.

"Binding and loosing" was a rabbinical phrase meaning the authority to forbid by an indisputable authority, and to permit by an indisputable authority.

A body that teaches with an indisputable authority must be visible and united in teaching. Otherwise, logically speaking, how could any doctrinal disagreement be settled? And what authority would Christ's Churh have, if any random grouping of Christians could overrule the Church's Teaching?

Moreover, Jesus, as king of the eternal, redeemed, Kingdom of David or Kingdom of Heaven...

These are the words of him who is holy and true, who holds the key of David. What he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.
Gives the "keys of the kingdom" to Peter...
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will bed bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will bee loosed in heaven.”
The key of David or the Davidic kingdom was...

An oversized key that the Davidic King gave to his majordomo. In the king's absence, the majordomo or chamberlain had full authority over the kingdom of David, with the power to "bind and loose."

I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open.

169 posted on 10/24/2014 5:09:40 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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