Posted on 10/14/2014 6:05:06 PM PDT by Petrosius
The pro-gay bishops know they haven’t won. But the issuance of this document in this manner (it was given to reporters without having been seen by the “conservatives”) is a way to get the message out to millions of people that can now go to Communion in the state of mortal sin.
Cardinal Wuerl, the most notorious homosexual in the American hierarchy, has been pushing this lie for years, by insisting that Nancy Pelosi and other pro-aborts MUST be given Communion. Now he’s enthusiastically pushing for Communion for gay couples and adulterous couples.
Of course, Wuerl has ALWAYS promoted Communion for unchaste homosexuals. He continued “Dignity Masses” in Pittsburgh for NINE YEARS after the Vatican (Cardinal Ratzinger, in fact) definitively mandated that they cease.
The most notorious homosexual in the American hierarchy is riding high right now. He is a favorite of the Pope, whose own diocese in Buenos Aires was a shambles, where Communion was given out like candy to shacked-up couples.
To tell the truth, I’m shocked nowadays when people become Catholic, or come back to the Church. The Church is a shambles, with the worst Pope in several hundred years.
But GOOD FOR YOU! I hope you find a quiet Mass to attend, and that you experience great peace and intimacy with Jesus.
Even if the Pope endorses all the pro-gay, pro-adultery sophistries being pushed by Donna Wuerl, the most notorious homosexual in the American hierarchy (and probably in the College of Cardinals), even if the Pope goes farther than that, it will NOT thereby become the teaching of the Church.
The Pope will NOT explicitly invoke Papal Infallibility in support of these lies.
And if he DID, he would at that moment cease to be Pope. The teaching of the Church on the matters of sodomy, adultery, and the Eucharist are THAT CENTRAL.
The Pope can provoke the biggest crisis in centuries, but he cannot change the teaching of the Church.
**The Great Division - Müller rips the Synod Report: “Undignified, Shameful, Completely Wrong!”**
BTTT!
No, the Pope won’t get to decide this. This goes to the Catholic Catechism.
Remember, that even in the First Ecumenical Council in Nicaea (325) there were heretics like Arius who denied the divinity of Christ and St. Athanasius who took him to task. These debates and discussions are not new to the Church.
Put specific instructions (church, music, priest) in your Will, do not allow others to choose for you, it is important that they pray for you not canonize you.
BTW, welcome home :)
We understand that, but relatives and friends are being confused and misled and encouraged to "eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to themselves, not discerning the body of the Lord" by the confusing rhetoric pouring out of the BOR and his mouthpieces.
Depends on what we're talking about here. Can he change the moral law? Obviously not. Can he promulgate documents which stop short of changing Church teachings, yet muddy the waters, confuse the flock and subvert Church teachings via revised pastoral praxis? Yes.
How many times have we read on this site that Catholics who disagree with church doctrine have no business disagreeing and just need to submit or move on. Makes perfect sense. Time to move on.
Could get interesting...Perhaps your religion would split over this...Maybe elect a new pope...Then you'd have 3 popes...
Church doctrine is the entirety of the Tradition proposed by the Magisterium, not just the most recent statement from some bishops or from even the pope himself.
“How many times have we read on this site that Catholics who disagree with church doctrine have no business disagreeing and just need to submit or move on.”
Refer me to one. Use private messaging if you like.
Of course people are being misled. Saying that the Pope can’t change the teaching of the Church is not saying that he can’t cause scandal, and go to hell for it.
People who think that the teaching of the Church can “change” don’t even understand what the Church is, or what it teaches. Anyone who thinks that THIS Pope can make it “okay” to divorce, remarry, and receive Communion has absolutely no clue what the Church teaches and has always taught about marriage, divorce, adultery, and the Eucharist.
People claim they were “never taught” certain things. May be. They also never asked a priest, never went to a Catholic library or bookstore, never went to a Catholic website.
But it’s the Pope’s responsibility to know that most people ARE that intellectually slothful.
I no longer believe in this Pope’s good intentions. I’m sick of his ostentatious humility, and his constant insults, and his ego. “I’m not like those OTHER Popes, judgmental, legalistic, not humble.”
His behavior during this Synod has been disgraceful. He’s obviously doing all he can to lead as many millions of people as he can to start making sacrilegious Communions and to continue in their complacency about shacking up and living in adultery.
Buenos Aires is a shambles. Reports are that 80-85% of “couples” are shack-ups, and that the priests hand out Communion like candy, “without putting up barriers.”
Bergoglio was a bad bishop, running a wreck of a diocese, with all statistics declining. He has NOTHING of the intellectual equipment needed for the Papacy. He was the candidate of the liberals because they are destroyers. He is one of them.
And he was elected. There must have been A LOT of “liberals”.
This displays the shallow intellect of Bible Christians. They have no clue over one Catholic Catechism and One Credo and pastoral outreach that may take different forms.
“ere must have been A LOT of “liberals”.”
Yes. Many of us were astounded that His Holiness Benedict XVI was elected. It seemed almost miraculous.
“Nixon, China.”
No, the reverse.
Nixon could open up China because the leftards hated him, while the silent majority would not have accepted a leftard prez doing the same thing.
Francis is a lefty from way back. For him to do this is predictable.
No one has referred me to a post by a Catholic saying that Catholics who disagree with church doctrine have no business disagreeing and just need to submit or move on.
But neither has anyone admitted that such a post cannot be found.
I guess they want to keep that one in their pockets for re-use at a later date.
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