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To: BlueDragon
Are you aware that the in citation from Ignatius -- he is not referring to the bishop of Rome? This is all too funny.

It is funny. Especially when an individual attempts to change the subject from universality to papal primacy after they've been proven incorrect in their assumption. However we can make a quick side trip to that issue:

Ignatius, who is also called Theophorus, to the Church which has obtained mercy, through the majesty of the Most High Father, and Jesus Christ, His only-begotten Son; the Church which is beloved and enlightened by the will of Him that wills all things which are according to the love of Jesus Christ our God, which also presides in the place of the region of the Romans, worthy of God, worthy of honour, worthy of the highest happiness, worthy of praise, worthy of obtaining her every desire, worthy of being deemed holy, and which presides over love, is named from Christ, and from the Father, which I also salute in the name of Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father: to those who are united, both according to the flesh and spirit, to every one of His commandments; who are filled inseparably with the grace of God, and are purified from every strange taint, [I wish] abundance of happiness unblameably, in Jesus Christ our God. [1]

I would suggest that you go find it in the [greater] context from where that one originates. It's in the footnote you supplied (but obtained form some RC apologetic page -- correct?).

Your suggestion is noted, however your conclusion is incorrect.

It is not exactly substantiation for later Romish claims, as it can be reasonably interpreted to undo them -- as regards to singular papacy and the like.

See above.

Not all the "Waldensians" who came after Waldo were semi-pelagian, although that is a convenient accusation -- it still is not enough to justify what was done to "them" indiscriminately.

Heresy is the murder of the soul. I don't have any problem with the practice of having heretics removed from our midst. I assume you have proof to back up your assertion of what was done, "indiscriminately"?

[1] Church Fathers: Epistle to the Romans (St. Ignatius) Translated by Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson. From Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 1. Edited by Alexander Roberts, James Donaldson, and A. Cleveland Coxe. (Buffalo, NY: Christian Literature Publishing Co., 1885.) Revised and edited for New Advent by Kevin Knight. .

2,594 posted on 10/19/2014 11:58:17 PM PDT by JPX2011
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To: JPX2011

You have not proven anything here other than you justify MURDER.

All the rest of your words are just so much more ugly (and illogical) noise.

2,624 posted on 10/20/2014 6:53:18 AM PDT by BlueDragon
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To: JPX2011
Heresy is the murder of the soul. I don't have any problem with the practice of having heretics removed from our midst.

Clarification, please. Are you consenting to those FReepers who disagree with your religious beliefs and practices being removed from membership to FR, revoking their privilege to post on the Religion Forum only, or harsher punishment?
2,629 posted on 10/20/2014 8:19:09 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: JPX2011
I don't have any problem with the practice of having heretics removed from our midst.

Orrin Porter Rockwell must have been a Catholic first...

2,635 posted on 10/20/2014 8:53:38 AM PDT by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: JPX2011; BlueDragon; metmom
Heresy is the murder of the soul. I don't have any problem with the practice of having heretics removed from our midst.

Yet rare is the RC who will affirm the carnal means of doing so which Rome sanctioned and set rules for in so doing (which early Prots had to unlearn). Would you also support the torture of suspected "heretics" and even witnesses, and the killing of the former (even if the numbers may have been exaggerated).

And of requiring Catholic rulers to exterminate the heretics, or else his subjects are no longer subject to his authority?

2,705 posted on 10/20/2014 3:59:40 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: JPX2011; BlueDragon

I don’t have any problem with the practice of having heretics removed from our midst.


Does that mean you petitioned Rome concerning Pelosi, Kerry, many Kennedys, etc...?


2,720 posted on 10/20/2014 5:54:30 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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