[daniel1212]

Amazing. So your argument is that an assuredly (if conditionally) infallible magisterium is essential for determination and assurance of Truth, and that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation (oral and written) means that Rome is that assuredly infallible magisterium

that pretty much sums it up, unless I hear otherwise, I will stick with Catholic 2,014 year old teachings from the book that they wrote.

Thank you for being honest, but you have just effectively nuked the church by your affirmation that that being the historical instruments and stewards of Divine revelation means such is an assuredly infallible magisterium, and that this is essential for determination and assurance of Truth

For the the church actually began in dissent from those who sat in the seat of Moses over Israel, who were the historical instruments and stewards of Scripture, and inheritors of promises of Divine guidance, presence and perpetuation; (Lv. 10:11; Dt. 4:31; 17:8-13; Is. 41:10, Ps. 89:33,34)

And instead they followed an itinerant Preacher whom the magisterium rejected, and whom the Messiah reproved them Scripture as being supreme, (Mk. 7:2-16) and established His Truth claims upon scriptural substantiation in word and in power, as did the early church as it began upon this basis, (Mt. 22:23-45; Lk. 24:27,44; Jn. 5:36,39; Acts 2:14-35; 4:33; 5:12; 15:6-21;17:2,11; 18:28; 28:23; Rm. 15:19; 2Cor. 12:12, etc.)

I said the church of Rome is basically invisible in Scripture, and now you have confirmed it. At you were honesty.

[terycarl]

I said the church of Rome is basically invisible in Scripture, and now you have confirmed it. At you were honesty.

let's see now, the Catholic church was founded by Christ approx. 2,014 years ago....learned peopple have studied the scriptures, for than legth of time and until a few hundred years ago, all agreed that what was in the bible was the absulute truth.

along came protesters and decided that they were better prepared, somehow, to interpret what the Catholic bible said.

now you come along, probably born in the 50's 60's or 70's and after weeks or months of diligent study of the bible, has come up with your own interpretation and determined that the Catholic church has been in error for 2 centuries.......O.K. I guess