Post 2435 shows that the historical evidence, recorded in the Bible, goes back to the Davidic kingdom.
Yeah, Ive seen that apologetic "story" cropping up, here of late. I'll deal with that later, perhaps.
But when I was talking about history, I meant the history of the Christian Church.
Why is it -- that if papacy was instituted by Christ --- the first centuries of churchmen knew of no such thing?
There is a big gap in years there. Like -- about as many years (or more) than the United States has been in existence.
Don't try to explain it all away...for there is no sufficient explanation for it, or else we would have all heard of it by now.
What I'm sensing here is that much of the FRoman crowing as all about trying to keep the troops in line, an ongoing effort to either provide excuses, or else discredit critics of certain and particular claims peculiar to the Church of Rome (A.K.A,, the Roman Catholic Church).
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proofs.
But like trying to qualify "Mary" as Queen of Heaven by dragging out cherry-picked verses concerning "queen mother" concerning one of king David's wives...this stretching towards David for his kingship to be ---- now, not Christ's own -- and a better kingdom "not of this world" as Christ spoke of His own Kingdom...to place that now onto the Apostle Peter's shoulders as proof or evidence for 'authority' to be singular province of the bishop of Rome, is a whole bunch of problematic stretching.
How come no one noticed any of that junk (to be applied as you would have it) in the first centuries of the Church?
Where they all idiots -- or were the Early Church Fathers, potentially flawed in some ways or another as individuals -- still close enough to the original teachings to have known full enough of such an idea as Rome eventually came to boast for itself -- to not been portion of the original charter?
They knew better then, then (most of) Rome does now.
Most anyone would be perfectly safe in betting their own sweet bippy on that.
Post #1463 shows that the historical evidence, recorded by the Church in Rome, goes against the current teaching of the Church in Rome.
Our FR Catholics don't care.