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To: annalex; BlueDragon; Springfield Reformer; daniel1212
You are confusing divine inspiration with canonicity. St. Paul named a certain body of literature inspired, and he said "all", so "all", literally, that was accessible to Jewish youth like Timothy is inspired. The question of canon is, of course the business of the Church and she, lead by the Holy Ghost, defined the Canon to be what it is. There is much outside of the Canon of Scripture that is inspired; someone here mentioned 1 Esdra, for example, and I can point to the works of the medieval saints as well. The Holy Ghost leads the Church today and forever, and so the volume of inspired Catholic works continues even today.

I'm not the one who is confused here. You were the one who claimed Paul's words to Timothy about "all" Scripture being "inspired by God" meant all the books in the Greek Septuagint, not me. For Roman Catholics, there is a difference, it appears, between Divine inspiration and canonicity, but for the Jews and not-Roman Catholic Christians, is it abundantly clear that the canon, the Rule of Faith, is based upon the writings that were Divinely inspired, Holy Spirit led revelation from the mind of God to mankind that was NOT of the individual's own interpretation or their own thoughts.

Can God "inspire" believers to write great works, hymns, works of art? Sure, but that is a different kind of inspiration. When people start imagining God is telling them special revelation never before known, all kinds of trouble can follow. God was quite strict in whom He allowed to BE His prophets and He gave His people a sure way of knowing who was or was not speaking by Him. Read Deuteronomy 13 to see how He commanded those who would speak presumptuously for Him to be treated. God takes "inspiration" seriously. So should we. We have the "more sure word of prophecy" so that we can know truth from error. It is not ongoing - especially not for an organization that claims whatever they say is truth.

905 posted on 10/07/2014 8:47:56 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums
Can God "inspire" believers to write great works, hymns, works of art? Sure, but that is a different kind of inspiration.

Rome does not believe that the words of popes or oral tradition are inspired by God and authored by Him like as Scripture is, but some RCs are more Catholic than Rome.

910 posted on 10/07/2014 9:19:06 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: boatbums

And how some RCs get 46 out of 22 is beyond me.

From the account of Eusebius [on Origen] in his Ecclesiastical History, vi. 25.

When expounding the first Psalm he gives a catalog of the Sacred Scriptures of the Old Testament as follows: “It should be stated that the canonical books, as the Hebrews have handed them down, are twenty-two, corresponding with the number of their letters.” Farther on he says: “The twenty-two books of the Hebrews are the following: That which is called by us Genesis, but by the Hebrews, from the beginning of the book, Breshith, which means ‘in the beginning’; Exodus, Welesmoth, that is, ‘these are the names’; Leviticus, Wikra, ‘and he called’; Numbers, Ammesphekodeim; Deuteronomy, Eleaddebareim ‘these are the words’; Joshua the son of Nun, Josoue ben Noun; Judges and Ruth, among them in one book, Saphateim; the first and second of Kings, among them one, Samoel, that is, ‘the called of God’; the third and fourth of Kings in one, Wammelch David, that is, ‘the kingdom of David’; of the Chronicles, the first and second in one, Dabreiamein, that is, ‘records of days’; Esdras, first and second 1 in one, Ezra, that is, ‘an assistant’; the book of Psalms, Spharthelleim; the Proverbs of Solomon, Meloth; Ecclesiastes, Koelth; the Song of Songs (not, as some suppose, Songs of Songs), Sir Hassirim; Isaiah, Jessia; Jeremiah, with Lamentations and the Epistle 2 in one, Jeremia; Daniel, Daniel; Ezekiel, Jezekiel; Job, Job; Esther, Esther; And outside of these there are the Maccabees, which are entitled Sarbeth Sabanaiel.” 3 He gives these in the above-mentioned work. From the account of Eusebius in his Ecclesiastical History, vi. 25.


914 posted on 10/07/2014 9:51:12 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: boatbums; BlueDragon; Springfield Reformer; daniel1212
For Roman Catholics, there is a difference, it appears, between Divine inspiration and canonicity

Of course there is, and it is logical. Christ teaches:

I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever. [...] the Paraclete, the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things, and bring all things to your mind, whatsoever I shall have said to you (John 14:16,26)
This is the nature of Divine Inspiration: it abides with the Holy Catholic Church forever. Caninicity, on the other hand, has a precise definition; one of the criteria of canonicity is its historical anchor, which makes canonical material limited to the Temple Judaism in the Old Testament case.

Can God "inspire" believers to write great works, hymns, works of art? Sure, but that is a different kind of inspiration

I was not talking of artistic inspiration and neither was St. Paul. The passage in focus speaks of sacred texts, not artistry.

962 posted on 10/08/2014 8:39:33 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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