Posted on 10/03/2014 2:33:43 PM PDT by NYer
You have never shown any disagreement between Yeshua and Moses.
There isn’t any.
Once you have died and in your glorified body about to ascend into heaven perhaps. Other then that I don't recall Jesus saying we would be able to ascend into heaven either. Maybe you have additional information?
>>The Apostles were certainly present, why would they be present for such a conversation but not be permitted to emulate the behavior of Christ in this regard?<<
Peter wanted to do that and was decisively stopped and told by God to listen to Jesus. Catholics may want to take a hint. As to why you would need to ask God. Catholics are allowed to talk to God aren't they?
>> “And yet, Moses and Elijah were at the transfiguration. Where did they come from?” <<
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Obviously from the same place that all the dead in Yeshua will come from when they meet him and his angels in the cloud.
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Obviously? I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Read 2 Kings 2. Elijah was taken up to heaven. That’s heaven, not purgatory.
It means “The bosom of Abraham.”
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Does back peddling require backup lights?
I think we are at the mercy of weak translation on the fate of Elijah.
There are too many different usages that are translated “heaven” in our english Bibles.
I’ll stick with the words of John, which are a bit more specific.
Divorce being one of many. Jesus even addressed the difference.
OK, I gotta ask. Why do you insist on using the Hebrew for Jesus, but not for Moses (perhaps it should be Egyptian for Moses)? Do you pray in Hebrew and/or Aramaic, or are you OK with the concept that Jesus understands English? That may seem silly to you, but I find the use of "Yeshua" indicative of a given line of literalist teaching.
Are you a Saturday or Sunday sabath observer? If Sunday, care to explain why?
“No; it does not. Go back to English 101.”
I’ve been a professional writer for more than 30 years. Your English is sub-par.
“That statement does not constitute mind-reading, simply on the basis of the word “if.””
Wrong.
2 Kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven (shamayim).
shamayim - Definition: heaven [http://biblehub.com/hebrew/behashshamayim_8064.htm]
>>The words of the gospel of John are very specific.<<
Yes it is. In fact the form of the Greek word used for the ascension of Jesus is only used once in scripture. Only Jesus has "ascended" into heaven. Elijah was "taken up".
“Moderators know the difference between insult and hatred, but to the thin skinned, the difference may blur depending on whose ox is being gored.”
Moderators know the difference between insult and hatred, but I’m too thin-skinned.
Well, Mr. Moderator, the moderators are neither smarter nor thicker of skin than I am. I’ve been doing this a long time, and both insults and hatred roll off me like water off a duck’s back.
I have tried to discuss bias for the sake of the forum, and that has been twisted around and called “whining.”
I see nothing has changed over the past few years, so I withdraw from this discussion.
It was a conditional statement which made no specific determination of thought or belief, therefore it cannot be mind-reading.
C’est la vie say the old folks. Bye.
Many I am sure. (And how do we know that she did not witness any miracles or sermons? I'm sure she attended the Synagogue)
God speaks to the heart, why not to those that haven't heard the gospel, which would include those many that are "without the benefit of witnessing a single miracle or sermon?"
Many in the Old Testament became "Christians" from this method.
NIV Romans 15:21 Rather, as it is written: "Those who were not told about him will see, and those who have not heard will understand."A teacher from whom I learned a lot about the Bible used to say you can find Jesus on every page of the Old Testament.
Also that the New Testament is hidden in the OT, the OT is revealed in the NT.
Oh now that there is funny I don't care who you are. You relying on New Testament Greek over Old testament Hebrew?
“I’m wondering why you don’t seem to understand the RF rules after all this time. Can you explain, please?”
I can explain well enough that a reasonable person of normal intelligence could understand.
Your impression that I “seem” not to understand the rules is incorrect. I understand the rules, and I have experience with the way the rules are applied. Every few years I make another effort to persuade the moderators to apply the rules even-handedly, and to modify their application of the rules such that veiled insults are treated in the same way as open insults.
I have always failed. However, optimism is true moral courage, as the old saying goes, so I try to remember that tomorrow is another day.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!
“Here is your EXACT quote from #556: “I can handle far more than those lackwits can hand out.”
>>Once again; you’ve been shown to FORGET what you actually typed when called on it.
I’m baffled. Why would you even advance such a silly notion?
I said ***those*** lackwits, in the context of a discussion of the behavior of the fang and claw protestants. It was clearly a reference to ***those*** people, the fang and claw protestants, and no one else.
On this planet, anyway.
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