Church Asks Music Director to Resign After He Married Same-Sex Partner; Congregation Laments

Christian Post ^ | 10/01/2014 | BY VINCENT FUNARO

[xzins]

The firing was correct.

A church cannot say that homosexuality is sin AND have a person in an official position saying that homosexuality is not a sin.

They can say, “I’m guilty of it. It is a sin. I’m determined to give it up, because I know it’s wrong.”

But they can’t say, “It’s not a sin. I’m doing it anyway. I don’t care what you think.”

That would be a lot like employees at a Ford plant insisting on wearing Chevrolet uniforms.

[metmom]

Sounds like a lot of Catholic thinking I have encountered.

The little old lady next door, who is a VERY faithful mass attending and contributing to the church member, says the SAME thing.

And liberal as the day is long........

[Cletus.D.Yokel]

This argument is why I refuse to get a motorcycle endorsement on my DL.

...until I get fined and told to upgrade my endorsements. Defending the principle in court will be too expensive.

[Revel]

“While there are some who don’t welcome everyone into the greater Catholic Church, I know that the vast majority of people at St. Victoria live lives that are truly examples of the way Christ would live; free of judgment, filled with love.”

As If God has no rules, and does not judge. By this guys definition murders should just be free to roam and kill at will. Because stopping them or speaking out against them would be judgmental, and not love.

[RginTN]

Why are these people Catholic when they don’t believe in its teachings?

And why was a gay man given such a leadership position in the church? He’s clearly practicing sin & encouraging others to as well.,
The church bought this on themselves by opening leadership positions to non-believers.

[jaydubya2]

"Should have made him a priest."

??

[SeaHawkFan]

“Asked”?

[Revel]

murders = murderers

[Boogieman]

Well, I think this speaks to that:

“15 Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.

16 And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.” John 8:15-16

If he judged anyone, it was not of himself, using human judgement, but declaring the judgement of the Father.

[Hulka]

“I think it’s unfortunate,” said member Judy Janish. ‘I think people should be able to marry who they love and who they belong with.’”

Then go find a church that allows that. Nobody stopping you.

[Hulka]

Only the few that the media actively seeks to further their homo agenda.

[Steve_Seattle]

"I know that the vast majority of people at St. Victoria live lives that are truly examples of the way Christ would live; free of judgment, filled with love."

I don't think any of these people have actually read the New Testament. Jesus did make judgments about people - "brood of vipers," "whitened sepulchers," and so forth - nor is there any indication at all that he would have condoned homosexuality, much less "gay marriage."

[DoodleDawg]

Homosexuality is also against the church’s teachings yet they kept the music director on instead of asking him to leave when they found out about it. I think this sends a mixed message that some sins are worse than others and being gay is OK until you try to marry someone.

[Ouchthatonehurt]

Franken?
This?
So what’s up with Minnesota anyway?

[Steve_Seattle]

"While there are some who don't welcome everyone into the greater Catholic Church, I know that the vast majority of people at St. Victoria live lives that are truly examples of the way Christ would live; free of judgment, filled with love."

Apart from the contempt and hatred they feel towards those who espouse traditional Catholic teachings.

[MamaB]

Amen. No real Christian would support that.

[Steve_Seattle]

"Sounds like a lot of Catholic thinking I have encountered."

It is clearly that of a majority or large minority of Catholics where I live. The press does not need to cherry-pick a congregation to uncover such attitudes, but they usually don't bother to look for the opposing attitude.

Last year, we had a similar controversy in the Seattle area, and the priest's sermon at my mother's church on Christmas Eve was largely devoted to an apology for the Church enforcing its moral position against a gay Catholic school teacher who married his gay partner and was then fired.

[BwanaNdege]

They can say, “I’m guilty of it. It is a sin. I’m determined to give it up, because I know it’s wrong.”

But they can’t say, “It’s not a sin. I’m doing it anyway. I don’t care what you think.”

AMEN!

“There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, in the end, "Thy will be done." All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell. No soul that seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek find. Those who knock it is opened.”

― C.S. Lewis, The Great Divorce

[Steve_Seattle]

I think that liberal Catholics believe that Jesus would now support gay marriage for the following reasons:

1. He was not divine in any ontological way, but was rather a "progressive" human being.

2. Although progressive for his time, his views were in many ways culturally conditioned.

3. Because Jesus's views were culturally conditioned, we can imagine that if he lived in our time he would be as progressive as we (liberals) are.

4. Jesus's emphasis on love and compassion would cause him - if he lived today - to shed his Biblical views on things like sexual morality and abortion.

5. If Jesus disagrees with my liberal views on anything whatsoever, he cannot be either divine or worthy of respect; I retain a psychological need to revere Jesus, so his views must be brought into conformity with mine regardless of what we find in the New Testament. Some of my liberal need to bring Jesus into conformity with my views relates to my liberal desire to invoke Jesus as a weapon in the cultural and political battles of our time.

[Salvation]

Cafeteria Catholics or CINOs (Catholics in Name Only)