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To: CynicalBear

Catholics used Petrine authority to interpret, sort out and put together the books we call the Bible.

Mormons, Muslins, Grahams, Sharptons are like Muslim imams, and Hindu shamans, basically semi-literate street preachers giving sacred scripture-written and the oral tradition- their “own” interpretations even though this flies in the face not only of preeminent Catholic theologians after whom major universities have been named around the world, but even against eminent theologians in the Protestant world, who have since converted to Catholicism.

So stay with the “indwelling of the Holy Spirit” while at the same time denying the work of the Holy Spirit that guided the early Church Fathers who put together and interpreted the Bible and established the belief in the Holy Eucharist celebrated each time a Mass is held!


747 posted on 09/28/2014 9:41:18 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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751 posted on 09/28/2014 9:49:53 PM PDT by WVKayaker (Impeachment is the Constitution's answer for a derelict, incompetent president! -Sarah Palin 7/26/14)
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To: Steelfish
>>while at the same time denying the work of the Holy Spirit that guided the early Church Fathers<<

> I don't deny the work of the Holy Spirit through them. I give God all the glory for having done that. But as I've said before. God has also used Judas, Balaam's donkey, and many others to further His cause. God gets the glory, not man. Saying that men listened at one point doesn't assure that they did on everything. That's why God gave us His written word with individual guidance by the Holy Spirit. Jesus didn't say "join this particular group and you will be saved".

810 posted on 09/29/2014 5:12:52 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: Steelfish; CynicalBear; Syncro; Iscool; boatbums; Elsie
Catholics used Petrine authority to interpret, sort out and put together the books we call the Bible.

Rather, Rome has presumed to infallibly declare she is and will be perpetually infallible whenever she speaks in accordance with her infallibly defined (scope and subject-based) formula, which renders her declaration that she is infallible, to be infallible - including "Petrine authority) - as well as all else she accordingly declares.

Mormons, Muslins, Grahams, Sharptons are like Muslim imams, and Hindu shamans, basically semi-literate street preachers giving sacred scripture-written and the oral tradition- their “own” interpretations even though this flies in the face not only of preeminent Catholic theologians after whom major universities have been named...So stay with the “indwelling of the Holy Spirit” while at the same time denying the work of the Holy Spirit that guided the early Church Fathers who put together and interpreted the Bible

You attempted polemic versus Scriptural warrant is nothing more than the appeal to authority by scholarly credentials and historical descent, yet Catholics of scholarly credentials also provide evidence contrary to the propaganda of Rome regarding Peter.

Meanwhile, the church began with the common people following itinerant and mostly unlettered preachers who established their Truth claims upon Scriptural substantiation in word and in power, and who reproved by Scripture the historical magisterium which rejected them. .

And it was by God often raising up men from without the magisterium to reprove those who sat in power that faith was preserved among a relative remnant (as usual), and thus the church began contrary to Rome, establishing their Truth claims upon Scriptural substantiation, and not on the basis of perpetual assured veracity of office.

836 posted on 09/29/2014 6:43:54 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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