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To: Steelfish; xone
Why of course! No such shallow nonsense as “born-again” drivel for Catholics.

It's too bad that Catholics call the teachings of Jesus himself *drivel*.

We have Petrine Authority for our beliefs.

We have Jesus' authority for our beliefs.

John 3:1-18 And there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night, and said to him: Rabbi, we know that thou art come a teacher from God; for no man can do these signs which thou dost, unless God be with him. Jesus answered, and said to him: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Nicodemus saith to him: How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter a second time into his mother's womb, and be born again? Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh, is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit, is spirit. Wonder not, that I said to thee, you must be born again. The Spirit breatheth where he will; and thou hearest his voice, but thou knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

Nicodemus answered, and said to him: How can these things be done? Jesus answered, and said to him: Art thou a master in Israel, and knowest not these things? Amen, amen I say to thee, that we speak what we know, and we testify what we have seen, and you receive not our testimony. If I have spoken to you earthly things, and you believe not; how will you believe, if I shall speak to you heavenly things? And no man hath ascended into heaven, but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man who is in heaven. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the desert, so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him, may not perish; but may have life everlasting.

For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting. For God sent not his Son into the world, to judge the world, but that the world may be saved by him. He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

St. Paul in his letters also warns the faithful to hold fast to the tradition they received: “We command you, brothers, in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, to avoid any brother who wanders from the straight path and does not follow the tradition you received from us” (2 Th 3, 6).

So what traditions are those that Paul taught that the Catholic church neglected to include in Scripture when it allegedly wrote it?

How do you know?

How do you know they’re from the apostles, Paul in particular?

How do you know they’ve been passed down faithfully?

What is your source for verifying all of the above?

Please provide the sources for verification purposes.

1,726 posted on 10/09/2014 3:14:40 AM PDT by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: metmom; Iscool; Elsie

There you go again hanging onto floating snippets of scripture that separate from the bark. This is why Bible-Christians have become a source of inquisitive query from scholars on how this shallow group has been formed. As soon as they are forced into the deep end of the pool to defend “their” (read that as 35,000 sects) beliefs they drown.

No small wonder that dozens of serious Protestant theologians who taught, wrote books, and preached in colleges, foursquare etc finally ditched what they came to accept as a disjointed and fraudulent piece of nonsense.

In just under a decade, its now official “Protestant” theology of the scripture that allows for married gay and lesbian partners as among Lutherans, Unitarians, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, or the First AME “this or the First “that” or give it any name like “Emmanuel Church.”

On the other extreme we have all those vapid Chinese fortune-cookie encapsulations of scripture from Billy Graham to the Joel Osteen to Rick Warren with their silly stuff earning fortunes for themselves and their families.

This is the sheer rot including this born-again” rubbish embraced by the Oprah-Winfrey Bible Christians that renowned theologians sneer down. Sometimes, it is even deadly. Just ask the followers of David Joresh and Jim Jones.

This is exactly follows when street readers of scripture are given to lazy reading and deny Petrine authority.


1,731 posted on 10/09/2014 7:22:21 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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