You keep saying “Without Jesus”…. but this is what former Protestant theologians call shallow thinking. Jesus commanded Peter and His successor to GO Teach. This is to teach ONE truth. On any given Sunday, you have Catholics celebrating the source and summit of their belief in Jesus with the Sacrifice of the Mass and the Eucharist. We have a Credo, and it doesn’t matter if you are in Timbuktu or Tokyo. University theological departments are filled with books on the Petrine authority.
This is why Catholicism draws on nobel laureates, scientists, astronomers, sculptors. and a stellar cast of theologians. Additionally, Catholicism has the greatest number of converts from every other religion in the planet including Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists and Rabbis. These folks aren’t shallow thinkers. For example, Bobby Jindal ditched his Hindu faith at much chagrin to his parents, and converted to Catholicism.
Outside the Church you have Biblical chaos. If you are a “Baptist” you can go to Southern Baptist, Reformed Baptist, AnaBaptist; or any number of different First Baptists, all providing their “own” interpretation of scripture. Some of it is lethal like the snake handlers in Appalachia or the followers of Jim Jones Jone or David Koresh.
Others like televangelist “Bishop” TD Jakes is pure entertainment, and Joel Osteen spins out Chinese fortune cookie sayings of scripture laced with cheap entertainment. They, like Billy Graham, Schullers, Tammy Faye Baker are all exponents of hollow preaching practices drawing upon audiences of the sort Oprah Winfrey attracts. The create a “personality of the cult,” reaping fortunes for themselves and their families.
The moment you take these shallow street preachers into to the deep end of theology pool they drown. No wonder Bible Christian are known as anti-intellectual.
You talk about the Holy Spirit, but it is the Holy Spirit that remains with the Church until the consummation of the world. You speak of “wisdom” but so did David Koresh. The Petrine authority helps us carry that wisdom through the ages.
It is no accident that several articles have been written about the utter shallowness of those Bible-Chrisitans with all their nonsense of born again stuff.
http://www.ukapologetics.net/13/shallow.htm
Yeah it’s easier to push a belief system if you post a bunch of names (over and over and over and over and over again) of the “bad guys” that don’t follow what you follow.
And you sure can mix apples and oranges, it seems you can’t tell them apart. Oh yeah, if they don’t follow and obey your pope they are all the same.
What ever you do, do NOT fall for that utter shallowness of those Bible-Chrisitans (sic) with all their nonsense of born again stuff.
Yeah, that born again nonsense “stuff” that was taught by ________.
(How many names can you post until you get to the source???)
Hint: it was before the popedum was created and before Mary became the central figure in the Catholic religion.
Jesus said:
John 3:7
Jesus commanded Peter and His successor to GO Teach.
...nonsense of born again stuff.
Your beef is with Jesus who told us that we must be born again.
John 3:1-12 AND there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews. This man came to Jesus by night, and said to him: Rabbi, we know that thou art come a teacher from God; for no man can do these signs which thou dost, unless God be with him. Jesus answered, and said to him:Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Nicodemus saith to him: How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter a second time into his mother's womb, and be born again? Jesus answered: Amen, amen I say to thee, unless a man be born again of water and the Holy Ghost, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh, is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit, is spirit. Wonder not, that I said to thee, you must be born again. The Spirit breatheth where he will; and thou hearest his voice, but thou knowest not whence he cometh, and whither he goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Nicodemus answered, and said to him: How can these things be done? Jesus answered, and said to him: Art thou a master in Israel, and knowest not these things? Amen, amen I say to thee, that we speak what we know, and we testify what we have seen, and you receive not our testimony. If I have spoken to you earthly things, and you believe not; how will you believe, if I shall speak to you heavenly things?
Scott Hahn and others claim they didn't find Jesus til the ate the wafer in one of your churches...
Jesus commanded Peter and His successor to GO Teach. This is to teach ONE truth.
So what was THAT truth they were told to go preach??? And who were they to preach it to??? It certainly wasn't Catholics...They were told to preach to Jews only...Not Gentile Catholics...
Jesus told Paul to go preach to Catholics and all other Gentiles...And Paul was told to preach the gospel of the grace of God...What was it again Peter and the others were told to preach to all the world??? Oh, I remember, they were told to preach the gospel of the Kingdom...
This is why Catholicism draws on nobel laureates, scientists, astronomers, sculptors. and a stellar cast of theologians. Additionally, Catholicism has the greatest number of converts from every other religion in the planet including Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Atheists and Rabbis. These folks aren’t shallow thinkers. For example, Bobby Jindal ditched his Hindu faith at much chagrin to his parents, and converted to Catholicism.
Well sure they did...The Catholic religion is a humanist religion...A feel good religion...Go back and ask any one of them if they trusted in Jesus Christ to be their Saviour...
Outside the Church you have Biblical chaos. If you are a “Baptist” you can go to Southern Baptist, Reformed Baptist, AnaBaptist; or any number of different First Baptists,
And every one of them will teach you how to get saved by Jesus Christ...
Some of it is lethal like the snake handlers in Appalachia or the followers of Jim Jones Jone or David Koresh.
And that only proves they are more honest than anyone in your religion...
Mar 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
That's the Catholic credo right there...But the real credo doesn't encompass just one or two verses...You guys are dishonest by leaving the rest of it out...And here it is...
Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
When the Catholic religion goes into all the world to preach the gospel, there should be millions of poisonous snakes all over the place, if they were honest...
Others like televangelist “Bishop” TD Jakes is pure entertainment, and Joel Osteen spins out Chinese fortune cookie sayings of scripture laced with cheap entertainment. They, like Billy Graham, Schullers, Tammy Faye Baker are all exponents of hollow preaching practices drawing upon audiences of the sort Oprah Winfrey attracts.
Maybe they learned from your pope Francis...But hey, your religion has far more ungodly priests and bishops and cardinals than these few ungodly non Catholic preachers...But you know what the real comedy is; your current pope Francis recently got together with some of these shysters and somehow bonded with them...
The moment you take these shallow street preachers into to the deep end of theology pool they drown. No wonder Bible Christian are known as anti-intellectual.
Those you are referring to are not street preachers...
You talk about the Holy Spirit, but it is the Holy Spirit that remains with the Church until the consummation of the world.
Ya but you don't even know what the church is...I am the church...Christians are the church...That's what Jesus was referring to...Jesus will be with us individuals til the end of the age...