Good read. And a lot to digest. Thanks.
The info at the few links is tough enough to digest.
Yet other things I mentioned -- not all at this point, in my own opinion required links to establish it as bearing upon the matter.
To then apply all that to discussion and disagreements here, rationally weighing one side against another -- is even harder.
The intro to the comment to which I was responding to mentioned other comments and allegedly valid points, then after framing a set of 4 sets of points (which all but self-destructed upon examination) and that comment including ending notes broadcasting "discussion is over" (but while posturing, using other words seemingly in order to get away with THAT too) followed then by yet another comment attributing motives -- all that kind of thing ticks me off -- because it DOES serve to obscure.
Thank you for your patience.